Naruto 512 Breakdown: I wonder how 4Kids plans on censoring all these nekkid men. Demotivational poster and official debate inclusive. Cue inexplicable half-oval-shaped layer of flesh over genital area. Oh, Naruto is done by Viz? Sounds kinda like jizz. Just saying.

Jagshemash, manemis Shadi.

I am here to help with very much writing of the breakdown.

And maybe when I am finish, we go find woman and have sexy tiiiimmeee!

Can you guess what film I've been watching?

That’s right, my pretties! I’m back like Slim Shady on a “This is It” world tour. You better reco’nize! You bastards didn’t miss me, did you? Not one phone call? *cue dramatic rain sequence* Why didn’t you write me?! I waited for you for seven years! Now it’s too late!

*is told “But I did write you! Every single day for a whole year!”* *is totally flushed and proceeds to make sweet, sweet lo–* Oh, I’m sorry, did I slip into a largely incoherent movie reference?

See, I had to handle some business is why I couldn’t do the last breakdowns. No, I wasn’t taking a crap for two weeks.  And now that I’m fully settled into the new environment, I can get back to doing what it is I do best, which is entering your mind and doing things to it; kind of like in Inception, only slightly less intellectual and a hundred times more…naaaauuuughttyyyyyy. 😀

O____O

Of course, no matter where I am or what I’m doing, I’m most definitely following the manga. And holy damn did I enjoy this chapter! If I were to qualify it in a single phrase, I’d say “BROOKLYN RAAAGEEE!!!” But if I didn’t just spend the last 168 hours of my existence watching Yu-gi-oh Abridged episodes, my brain would still be functional. And then maybe I would say something more along the lines of “plot advancement,” because that’s all this chapter was about.

Primarily, what we are treated to isn’t in itself that much exciting, but what it does is get you all pumped and giddy for what is to come; that being the Fourth Great Ninja War. And the way things are beginning to shape up, I dare say it does just so.

>_>

On a quick recap of the previous two installments: Konan was a badass, Yahiko was Mr Lover Lover, and Nagato was a nasty-ass pervert who listens in by the door and smiles to himself while his buddies do the nasty. And then there was the week break, which I heard was elicited because of a shortage of available JUMP staff. Apparently, about 80% of them were out helping Kubo Tite on a search around the world for something of his. It’s this four-letter word that begins with P and ends with T, with an O somewhere in the middle. One week and two hundred countries later, it’s still nowhere to be found.

Well, following that hopeless search for the inexistent came 512, which not only was about Brooklyn raaaa–I mean, plot advancement, but it also completely and abruptly shifted the spotlight onto a much different subject after just about three chapters. I’m starting to notice this pattern of Kishi’s hopscotching from subject to subject almost too quickly. A little speed is nice, but too much is too much. You never want to go too fast. *insert dirty joke here…actually, on second though, let me >_>*

Is that your dinner that just back came out of your mouth. Ewww! <_<

Well, that short rant aside, I still think it’s about time we started giving more attention to this war everyone’s been raving over anyway. To be honest, I never did think it as that big of a deal up until this point. Tell you the truth, in fact, all that Kage stratergizing never made sense to me. Besides, I never liked that Mifune guy; he looks shady. That’s just my censored way of saying he looks like he has a stick up his ass the size of the greater Texas. Aaaand now that censorship is moot. >_>

Well, he looks about the right age. He could be Madara’s secret arms dealer. Anyone else get that really bad pun? No?

Everyone knows Kabuto is the bed intruder...

That's just Kabuto behind you...

The one thing that finally renovated that line of thinking this chapter is that we’re finally shown some talking and walking from the other end of the ring, the major aspect  of which concerns the creepy vegetable guy himself. FINALLY! After hundreds of chapters, Kishi finally sees reason to tell us what he’s all about. And guess what? Creepy vegetable guy is actually creepy root guys! Ou em gee!  Honestly, once Kabuto said the first thing he did about Zetsu, I guessed it already; only I expected hundreds of test tube baby breeding plant-humans as opposed to a hundred thousand naked men under the root of a tree…where I’m sure there’s lots of…rooting. >_> It’s like the right of passage for the quintessential bad guy: make mindless cloney thingies. For whatever reason, villains never realize one male and one female is all that is needed to make mindless cloney thingies. Maybe because they usually are too busy figuring out how to take over the world, their neglected wives just hire a gardener. Ah, the life of a deranged sociopath… I don’t know what to question more: Madara’s social health for the fact that he created his only friends, or where black Zetsu STEMMED (haha, I’m so funny) from. Probably the same place his Venus Flytrap head did.

To do wha--Oh...

So, contrary to what I initially thought, it turns out this war has the potential to be more conventional after all…mostly. The stage has been set very nicely for what will be the Fourth Great Ninja War.

On another note, Madara = Madara actually seems a little more possible now. Yes, I’m about to talk about Madara’s identity…again. Surprised? Didn’t think so. But this one’s simple. How the hell could anyone anyone else get a hold of Shodaime’s tissues. And what’s more, who the hell else has such a huge hands and chesticles fetish?

It was either this or a Machamp reference. Count your blessings.

Speaking of chesticles and all that is homoerotic, I wonder what Kabuto is up to. If you haven’t figured out by now that he has a hidden agenda, then you’re either still new to the oh so unpredictable world of Japanese comic, or were just too busy finding Waldo to read the sideways text on the splash. I think Thelaughingwiseman sums it up pretty nicely with his snake analogy. But remember that famous Kishi interview about the two new Akatsuki members? Something tells me Kabuto is the first. And it won’t be fitting to dub him a full-fledged member or even accomplice if he’s going to play Judas so soon, especially since he is yet to earn even an aorta of trust from Madara, who no doubt is on his toes, so betrayal at this point would have much less of a critical effect.

Don’t get me wrong. I still think he’s going to do something reptiliously eeevil, and has no real intention of taking out Bee or Naruto. I’m just skeptical about any outright betrayal at this point in time, since it can’t even be called betrayal at all.

I see Kabuchimaru becoming very crucial to the plot in the future. Hey, maybe Kishi will do a Kubo and make him the new main character. I see many emotionally distraught teenage boys in our manga future. X__X

He means the one sticking out of your--Oh...

In any case, not very much else can be said about this chapter. It chiefly was only build-up to coming events; and build up, it did. One thing I appreciate the most is how apparently Madara has had all of this planned out from the very beginning. More and more, he’s continuing to seal his seat among the kings of villainousness. But although not quite at Mandark level, very soon he’ll be bad enough to actually get an original evil laugh that sticks. And we all know that that right there is the height of bad, right up there with killing a puppy; all of this making his fall that much more grand.

Who knows, maybe he can even go out like a true badass. Maybe he’ll do the world a favor and take Sakura with him. Hell, in the name of peace, Naruto could refuse to fight him. In that case, only one thing can be done…

Madara: …Friendship sucks.

Naruto: Oh, it is on, bitch!

BUBBLITION CONTEST

The winneeeerrrr…

Gaiden FAIL

Congrats to Kahmix!

Here’s your material for the week.

Insert possible caption here

Let’s see you be creative!

OFFICIAL DEBATE

I’m having to recycle contenders, since the amount is limited in the first place anyway. Here it is.

The battle of the redheads! I wonder if they're Uzumaki as well.

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And one last thing…

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Now if you will excuse me, I’m gonna get on a bed and die.

See you next week!

One day the sun will come out.

Fix

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~ by Captain Pickles on October 11, 2010.

163 Responses to “Naruto 512 Breakdown: I wonder how 4Kids plans on censoring all these nekkid men. Demotivational poster and official debate inclusive. Cue inexplicable half-oval-shaped layer of flesh over genital area. Oh, Naruto is done by Viz? Sounds kinda like jizz. Just saying.”

  1. FIRRRSSSSSSSST!!! XD

  2. Great breakdown of a great chap Pickles ^^

    Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged, Waldo and sexual innuendos FTW!

    Someone should seriously make something like the Naruto/DBZ comparison but with Naruto/Star Wars.
    Its a little to obvious Kishi!

    So Zetsu was created from Hashiramas dna? Once again something ive read in a fanfic. Is Kishi too predictable or is the fanbase DAMN good at predicting?

    Im looking forward for the rematch of Gaara and Zombie Deidara. And hopefully we will see more of Kabutomarus abilities.

  3. Third!

  4. QUATRO!!!!

  5. “I waited for you for seven years! Now it’s too late!”

    LOL what were you doing watching the notebook ? xD

    awesome breakdown though pixy poo 😛

    and i didnt really like bench , not my genre

    oh and PENTO/A O_o lol

  6. sixthish

  7. Nanabi! Noooooo, I’m a bug 😦

  8. DAAAAAAMN YOU PICKLES! MACHAMP FTW! And don’t u forget it! >_>

    Sasori takes this

  9. tsuchikage can fly???

  10. This was a veeeeery funny breakdown, Captain Cru- err, Pickles. 🙂
    Especially the last paragraph, and the Uchiha Harem bit, lol (<–literally).

    ATTENTION:
    I also think that someone should make a whole breakdown for Naruto's upcoming game, Ultimate Ninja Storm 2. If not the whole game, then just the last 79 seconds of this video. I mean, DAMN !!! Bee & Minato's parts !! XDD

  11. Sweet! Awesome breakdown and thanks for the bubble contest win 🙂

  12. Sometimes I wish I could just walk into the future and just pick out and read a random Naruto chapter, like chapter 659 or something, and just look at what’s happening, and just go back to the present and wonder how the hell that happened, who/what the hell that was, how did he/she/it get to that point, etc.

  13. @nagashikage: The best parts in the video are Neji pwning Tenten, Temari beating Ino up and Konan killing Sakura. XD

    Anyway, the game looks AWESOME! @_@
    Just wondering, wasn’t there supposed to be Kabutomaru in the game too?

  14. @video: WHO THE FUCK is Lars?? xD Oh yeaaah, Minato’s part was really awesomeness!
    Anyway, how are they kidding? There are characters in the game that aren’t even in the manga anymore (Tenten, Ino, Orochimaru :p ), I think that nobody will play one of the two first “chars”.
    Tobi’s part was hilarious too 😉 !
    And great breakdown, boy!

  15. I finally have some time to breathe, so I will say what I can, while I can.

    Firstly, nice breakdown Pickles. It was funny as always, really funny. I enjoyed the chapter quite a lot, because it is really setting things up for some epic sauce down the line.

    I personally think that Tobi sent Kabuto to fight Naruto in the hopes that he would lose, to be honest. It’s an easy way to get rid of a thorn in your side and if Kabuto did happen to succeed in capturing Naruto or Bee, it wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing either.

    Other than that, I also have another theory once again. The thing is, I believe the reason Tobi may need Sasuke, is as a substitute for the yin chakra of the Kyuubi. When you think about it, the Sage divided his power into two parts, the Yang which makes up life force and vitality, which went to the youngest son and the Yin, made up of spiritual energy, that went to the oldest, whose descendants are the Uchiha.

    By powering Sasuke up and having him unlock the EMS, he is essentially building up that power which is the basis of Yin, to epic proportions. Perhaps Tobi knew that Minato only sealed the Yang chakra of the Fox into Naruto, so he is trying to find a substitute for that missing yin chakra by building up Sasuke to be the perfect sacrificial substitute. Perhaps his plan to have them battle, is also needed for this very purpose, because he may need them both in one place for it to succeed.

    It’s one way I can see him making up for the missing half of the Kyuubi, seeing as how the spiritual power passed onto the Uchiha basically makes up the same power basis as Yin.

    Let me know what you all think of this and whether it is plausible or not. O__o

    *Goes into a coma.*

  16. Hi again, sorry such a long time has passed, but I found something & thought it might shed some light on Kabuto’s possible intent. It maybe a better translation. I apologize if someone has posted this already. Hope you are all doing well!

    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2113051#post2113051

  17. HolyShitEro’sStillAlive!?!?!? Hey dude!

    ….you’re right, it has been a long time lol.

  18. @aeris – Lars is a character from Tekken 6. Not entirely sure what he’s doing in this game, but then again I still can’t figure out wth Yoda and Darth Vader were doing in Soul Calibur either XD

  19. @Darks, Kishi drew a costume for him in Tekken 6, so I guess THAT’S his connection to the series lol. I guess he uses Raiton

  20. Poster: “How in the hell is that possible?!”

    Caption: Killer Bee has a way of utilizing his tentacles…

    Thanks for the shout out Cpt. Pickles!!

    Warning: The theory you are about to read, is unproven. So it’s more like an unanswered idea then a theory. So I will just share an idea, i guess, but it’s darn tooten idea…

    I have been thinking about something. I read Zetsu call Madara “Tobi” again. And that got me thinking about the Uchiha and that got me thinking about Uchicha techniques. Which got me thinking about their sharinga and as a result their Mangekyo sharingan. And that lead me to Amerterasu. And that further lead me to Jiraiya and his encounter with the amerterasu (http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/148/8 & http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/148/9) What if Jiraiya found a way to counter Ameratsu!? And some how it found it’s way to Naruto’s hands. I don’t think Jiraiya just forgot about it after he sealed it. I think he was finding a way to counter it. That’d be neat to find out that Naruto would then be able to fight without having to deal with amerteratsu.

    But then again that could just be mere speculation and Kishi just drew those panels for no relevances at all…

  21. Great breakdown capt! Something just hit me, is it possible that Tobi might be the 1st hokage himself?

    Anyhoo, bench is actually nice.. Im not a big baseball fan but i enjoyed reading it. Hope they serialize it..

  22. Great breakdown xD
    @Darks : That is quite a plausible theory. Looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
    @Ero : The link was actually a nice read and it is good to know that a subtle wordplay can change how we perceive characters.
    Machamp FTW 🙂

  23. WOW Sakura really got pawned in that game (NARUTO ULTIMATE NINJA STORM)demo…Kabuto, Sasori, Konan and Karin LOL how many times can one character die? lmao ;P

    P.S. Haven’t read breakdown yet, it’s really late here, but i just had to read the comics and i lol’d so hard: GREAT JOB PICKLES!!! (Will read everything tomorrow)

    Hey and can someone give me a link for the bench manga, i havent see it yet! Thanks!!

  24. @Darkavatar&Aeris

    Lars was a Tekken character who was designed by Kishimoto, apparently, so it stands to reason that they added it into the game just for the mass appeal.

    Either way, the game looks great.

  25. Caption: I have an itch…*whisper* down there >.<

  26. Great breakdown Pickles!

    I’m still having trouble getting used to Madara/Tobi’s new look. Its not a bad look, I just keep thinking of cyborgs and Power Rangers when I look at him…

    Otherwise, solid chapter.
    Kishi is certainly arousing my interest, if you know what I mean! 😉
    Damn you Pickles! Your perverted sense of humor is infectious!

    @video – Pein vs. Naruto and Jiraiya vs. Pein looked epic, and Minato was awesome
    There were 2 minutes wasted on the other Konaha 11 though lol
    Btw it looks like they’ll definitely have the Pein vs. Naruto fight, but I wonder if they’ll have the Minato flashback as well as they show him fighting Tobi at the end there

  27. Alrighty, time to get the debate on the roll!!! (It’s far too quiet in here.)

    In my opinion, Gaara would beat Sasori. Sasori mostly uses long ranged projectile attacks or puppets to battle and Gaara has the perfect defense against both. His sand defense can stop the poisoned needles or even the elemental attacks Sasori uses in his final form and they can even prevent Sasori’s puppets from moving by jamming their joints up with sand, much like the effect the iron sand had on Chiyo and her puppets.

    Because Sasori himself is a puppet, he would be affected in a similar manner, which pretty much means he would be incapacitated very quickly and the battle would be over after that.

    Now, I know one counter people may come up with, is to say that Sasori has the 4 Kazekage and that iron sand pwns normal sand, but I disagree, for three major reasons.

    Firstly, the iron sand has it’s limitations, because Sasori can only use as much of it as his puppet carries with it at any given time, which means the volume of iron sand he controls in battle is severely limited, while Gaara can continually produce more sand by breaking down the earth. In essence, this gives him an edge in terms of both offense and defense.

    Secondly, the Iron sand relies on blunt force trauma to do damage, in a projective format akin to hundreds of tiny bullets. We have already seen Gaara successfully defend against similar attacks in the past, without problems and if need be, he can simply use more sand to create a more saturated wall of impenetrable defense. Other than that, we have also seen Sasori create larger masses of geometrical objects for attacks with a greater impact, but even then, I don’t see Gaara having a problem when he has so much more sand to work with.

    And lastly, Sasori needs his Kazekage puppet to control the Iron sand. I doubt Gaara would have any difficulty in either disabling it with sand, or simply destroying it. Floating around in the open, it is basically a sitting duck and once it has been taken out, no more iron sand threat.

    The last threat I can see against Gaara, would be an actual poison cloud created by Sasori, which to me, is the only real threat to Gaara in this battle. However, when you think about it, Gaara normally battles in his cocoon of sand, aka, his perfect defense and as long as he remains in there, he will also be safe from poison. He doesn’t need to physically see his opponent to fight either regardless, because he can simply create an artificial eye from sand to fill that role.

    All in all, I just don’t see any of Sasori’s attacks penetrating Gaara’s defense and if Gaara is struggling, by some chance, then he could simple increase the volume of his sand and saturate his defenses even more, all the while simply smothering Sasori in an ocean of his own making.

  28. “Lars was a Tekken character who was designed by Kishimoto, apparently, so it stands to reason that they added it into the game just for the mass appeal.”

    *puts one of Kanton’s guns to Tenrai’s head*

    *reads Killerbee’s cheesy rap book*

    “Don’t steal ma thunda! I said it first-a Fothamucka!”

    God I rock…:D

  29. @Kisu

    *Eats the gun and Kisuzachi.*

    Now, stop trying to be cool and debate me. @__@

  30. Bubble: I think there was one more shark
    Caption: Aoba makes a facinating discovery

  31. Debate ? Gaara must easily win, if sakura and an old women can beat him then gaara must be able to do it, since he has the perfect defence, sand armour and so on.

    Great breakdown pickles, very amusing (Y)

  32. Hinata pwning the necrophiliac anoxeric was Awesome. Is it just me or does the ppl in Bench have detachable noses.

    or the fat guy looks like an obese Astroboy.

    *then reads the chapter and finds out it was a Shout-out*

  33. I get the feeling that Nagato isn’t naturally anorexic, and it’s actually because he used up so much chakra.

    Remember how the Kyuubi looked the more chakra was taken from him?

  34. @holy: interesting. perhaps he was feeding Madara some of that chakra so he could build his zetzu army.

  35. @arpotu Make sense Since Madara has been shown to steal everything but money.

  36. *recovers from epic fail given to me by Tenrai*

    @Tenrai, Woah I had a busy day! A debate you say? Now I can get to start defending my main man Sasori, yay. Let’s get this under way. Word.

    *hears thunderous applause for my mad skills*

    “Sasori mostly uses long ranged projectile attacks*

    Lol so did Deidara. Deidara didn’t want to kill Gaara, and he went into battle with very minimal clay, so he couldnt abuse his powers like when he fought Sasugay and had to use his clay sparingly. Plus Gaara had the home-field advantage. Now if he didn’t, he could just make a desert like when he fought Kimimaro, except that drained him to the point Kimimaro was about to impale his head. Deidara knows his own power (obviously) and admitted that Sasori was better than he was. Now I assume that in this debate Sasori is actually fighting to kill right?

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-247/13/
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-249/02/
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-248/11/
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-217/10/ (obviously he’s improved, but Kimimaro was a far cry from Sasori)
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-265/11/

    “prevent Sasori’s puppets from moving by jamming their joints up with sand, much like the effect the iron sand had on Chiyo and her puppets.”

    I always thought that was a side-effect specific to Iron Sand. I mean, Gaara’s sand doesn’t exactly stick to people

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-268/16/

    “Firstly, the iron sand has it’s limitations, because Sasori can only use as much of it as his….. down the earth. In essence, this gives him an edge in terms of both offense and defense.”

    Perhaps Gaara can make MORE sand, but that costs a lot of chakra and Sasori’s Iron Sand has proven to be worlds beyond Gaara’s normal sand. Gaara’s sand crushes with pressure, so its mostly useless in small quantities, while Sasori’s destroyed the entire battlefield with relative ease, breaking through rock without having to be one huge mass. Can Gaara’s sand even stand up to the Iron sand? It took Gaara’s ultimate defense to barely block Kimimaro’s “Dance of the Clematis: Flower.”

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-216/05/
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-216/06/
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-217/02/

    “We have already seen Gaara successfully defend against…. can simply use more sand to create a more saturated wall of impenetrable defense.”

    What you mean like Kimimaro’s finger bullets and random shuriken? Lol, the Iron Sand can’t be compared to that. The Iron Sand is clearly stronger than Kimimaro’s bones (in theory Kimimaro could’ve made his bones stronger if he had more chakra) based on the damage it did to the environment. And all it’d take for Sasori to beat Gaara is one single scratch.

    “I doubt Gaara would have any difficulty in either disabling it with sand, or simply destroying it.”

    Chiyo, the Sand’s best Shinobi with the help of Sakura, (I know that doesn’t really say much) couldn’t get the Third Kazekage puppet until Sasori underestimated Sakura and sent it in for the kill when he could’ve easily used the Iron Sand to kill her instead. I don’t think Sasori will make that kind of mistake against a Kage.

    “battles in his cocoon of sand, aka, his perfect defense and as long as he remains in there, he will also be safe from poison.”

    It let’s in air doesnt it? It would let poison in as well. Well, unless Gaara decides thatr dying by suffocation is better than being poisoned lol

    “if sakura and an old women can beat him”

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-275/14-15/
    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-275/16/

    Sasori preferred to die in the embrace of his “mother” and “father” rather than kill his grandma >_>. But let me put into perspective how strong this “old woman” was, the total of her stats was 32, while the total of Kakuzu was only 32.5

  37. lol the poll is such a fan-favorite type thing…

    10 KISU POINTS TO ANYONE WHO SIDES WITH ME!

    Note: 1 Kisu point is equivalent to 15 Awesome points, and you don’t get addicted to Kisu points either 😉

  38. @kisuzachi

    Ah yes, it is good to see you rising up to the challenge of a debate. At least things won’t be as quiet now. ^ ^

    In any case, your post is very long, to put it lightly, so I will try to just counter each primary point as best as I can. Even then, my post may end up longer than yours. Lol!

    Here we go…

    “Lol so did Deidara. Deidara didn’t want to kill Gaara, and he went into battle with very minimal clay, so he couldnt abuse his powers like when he fought Sasugay and had to use his clay sparingly. Plus Gaara had the home-field advantage. Now if he didn’t, he could just make a desert like when he fought Kimimaro, except that drained him to the point Kimimaro was about to impale his head. Deidara knows his own power (obviously) and admitted that Sasori was better than he was. Now I assume that in this debate Sasori is actually fighting to kill right?”

    Deidara had two advantages Sasori didn’t. Firstly, he had mobility and he was able to avoid Gaara’s sand, something that Sasori doesn’t have and secondly, he was able to hold Suna hostage. The only reason Deidara beat Gaara, was by exploiting his will to protect his village and by dropping a bomb on it as a distraction. By occupying most of Gaara’s sand, he had to use the sand that was chasing Deidara as a defense, which Deidara had sabotaged with tiny bombs.

    In a one on one battle, Gaara wouldn’t have to focus on protecting anyone else. The two situations aren’t even remotely similar.

    “I always thought that was a side-effect specific to Iron Sand. I mean, Gaara’s sand doesn’t exactly stick to people”

    No, it was actually because the sand jammed into the joints of the puppets, not because it simply stuck to them. I could understand that logic if the puppets were strictly metal and magnetism was involved, but that isn’t the case. Iron sand and normal sand, will have the same effect in this regard.

    “Perhaps Gaara can make MORE sand, but that costs a lot of chakra and Sasori’s Iron Sand has proven to be worlds beyond Gaara’s normal sand. Gaara’s sand crushes with pressure, so its mostly useless in small quantities, while Sasori’s destroyed the entire battlefield with relative ease, breaking through rock without having to be one huge mass. Can Gaara’s sand even stand up to the Iron sand? It took Gaara’s ultimate defense to barely block Kimimaro’s “Dance of the Clematis: Flower.””

    When have we ever seen Gaara become fatigued from creating sand? As a genin, against Kimimaru, he covered the battlefield in it with no apparent drain to himself whatsoever. He is now the Kazekage.

    Against Deidara, he was able to stop a village destroying bomb without and drain to himself either and was able to move enough of a mass of sand, to cover an entire village. If he can stop an attack of that level of destruction, why should Iron sand be a problem?

    Also, comparing Kimimaru to Sasori is not going to help. Kimimaru had physical power on his side thanks to his cursed mark and even then, Gaara was able to counter it by simply strengthening his sand by using stronger minerals from the earth, so much so that it broke through Kimimaru’s bone, which is as strong as steel. That actually helps my argument for Gaara’s defense more than it counters it.

    “What you mean like Kimimaro’s finger bullets and random shuriken?”

    Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Deidara’s bombs, point blank explosive attacks, many different types of projectiles small and large and even the Raikage’s lightning infused attacks, which should be Gaara’s weakness according to most people.

    “Chiyo, the Sand’s best Shinobi with the help of Sakura, (I know that doesn’t really say much) couldn’t get the Third Kazekage puppet until Sasori underestimated Sakura and sent it in for the kill when he could’ve easily used the Iron Sand to kill her instead. I don’t think Sasori will make that kind of mistake against a Kage.”

    Comparing Gaara, to Chiyo and Sakura, is not going to really help your argument. Sakura is strictly close range while Chiyo used puppets exclusively for battle, which Sasori was able to disable. Gaara shares neither of those weaknesses. In fact, your references to the battle with Kimimaru give me more examples of how easy it would be for be for Gaara to disable the Kazekage puppet.

    By using the sand shower he trapped Kimimaru with, he could easily rain sand down on any of Sasori’s puppets with a fine mist of sand. Sasori won’t be able to escape or counter it and his puppets would be disabled from the sand lodging into their joints. Because Sasori himself is a puppet, he would meet the same fate.

    “It let’s in air doesn’t it? It would let poison in as well. Well, unless Gaara decides that dying by suffocation is better than being poisoned lol”

    Firstly, compacted sand would easily be able to keep the poison out. Secondly, you underestimate how long someone would be able to breath for in a reasonably sized pocket of air. And who’s to say he can’t just create a larger sphere of sand to last him longer? Gaara doesn’t need long anyway, he just needs enough time to disable or destroy Sasori and his puppets, which if he turns the entire battlefield into sand, will be very quickly.

    Tell me, how would Sasori escape being trapped a kilometer under the earth while being crushed by Gaara’s desert funeral? I just don’t see it happening.

    “Sasori preferred to die in the embrace of his “mother” and “father” rather than kill his grandma >_>. But let me put into perspective how strong this “old woman” was, the total of her stats was 32, while the total of Kakuzu was only 32.5”

    I don’t even need to counter that, because this is Sasori vs Gaara, not Sasori vs Chiyo and Sakura and stats aren’t a very good way to compare to combatants to see who would win. After all, Shikimaru is mostly high in intelligence and lower in other fields. His stats may not come as high as the likes of some Akatsuki members, but he did beat Hidan, didn’t he?

    Sorry, but I just don’t see Sasori winning this one. It’s just not the right match-up for him. If it was, Akatsuki would have chosen him and not Deidara, to fight Gaara in the first place. The fact that they didn’t, and that Gaara was Deidara’s target instead, says a lot about who was better suited for the job.

    “Goes into a coma.”

  39. @Kisu and Tenrai – I intend to enter this debate, but I need to get a precious few hours of sleep before Physics lab so I won’t be able to enter full force right now.

    I’m leaning towards debating in favor of Sasori, but I’m not sure if that is because I actually believe Sasori would win, or if it is because I think Sasori is the unpopular choice.

    Some food for thought:

    Sasori kidnapped and killed the Third Kazekage, the Iron Sand user who is said to be the strongest Kazekage in history. This is historical evidence that Sasori has had success against Sand users. If Sasori could beat the Third Kazekage, he can probably implement that same strategy successfully against Gaara.

    Sasori’s Red Secret Technique: Performance of a Hundred Puppets has not been mentioned yet. I think this technique can be useful against Gaara. They can overwhelm Gaara, putting him completely on the defense. If Sasori uses their numbers effectively, Gaara will have trouble saturating all of them in sand. As Deidara showed, distracting Gaara is the best way to get into his defense. Having one hundred puppets attacking will allow for that. Sasori’s puppets have plenty of explosives, projectiles, poisons, and flamethrowers to wear on Gaara’s defense as well.

  40. @urbanvolcano87

    Why would Gaara have trouble saturating them all with sand?

    Remember, the Fourth Kazekage would have had a limit to how much Iron sand he could use, Gaara wouldn’t with his sand. The longer the battle draws out, the more sand Gaara can create and the harder it will be for Sasori to win.

    He won’t be wearing out Gaara’s defenses, they will just be getting stronger over time. Even more so if he reinforces them with stronger minerals like he did against Kimimaru.

    Also, we don’t know the specifics of how Sasori managed to capture the Fourth Kazekage. Using that in the debate, is not really telling us much, because for all we know, Gaara could be stronger than the Fourth Kazekage by now. Of course, we have no idea, because we have never seen the fourth in action, so using him as a reference is not very fair and can’t be very accurate either.

    As for the distraction, those 100 puppets won’t be distracting anything if they can’t even move. I’ve already given a means as to how Gaara could paralyze them and Sasori himself.

  41. Btw, spoilers are out. Not quite what I expected, I must admit, but very exciting. O_O

    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64663

  42. *hits tenrai with giant club for his epic fail mixup* 4th is Gaara’s father. 3rd was the iron sand user.

  43. Great job Pickles! Bench was nothing special so I’m going with “WTF is Bench”.

    Lol, Kahmix, your bubble = WIN! That’s exactly what I thought when reading that chapter. How could Kishi disgrace their memories by dressing them all up in frog suits and parading them in front of the viewers as “cute”? They were better off left alone or at least out of the frog suits.

    I’m perplexed with ‘Naruto’ at the moment so I’m going to wait for Kishi to explain things and make a few guesses here and there. As for the debate, I’m going with Gaara on this one. Someone said something about Sakura and Chiyo beating Sasori. That’s a good enough argument for me. As for why the iron sand stops the puppet from moving…

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-268/17/
    http://read.mangashare.com/Naruto/chapter-268/page016.html

    It’s the Kazekage’s magnetic force that’s stopping the puppet from moving. Sasori didn’t say the iron sand in the puppets body is simply stopping the puppet. He said the Kazekage’s magnetic force is what’s making the puppet useless. It’s not just simply jamming up the joints with sand.

    If you think about it, why would the Sand Village have puppet users if sand could jam up their puppets? In the Sand Village sand is pretty… prevalent. Now if you think about it more, Gaara who has free control over his sand should still be able to jam the puppet’s movement by coursing sand throughout the puppet’s body and constricting the puppet’s movement from the inside.

  44. @supertrek89

    Welcome to team Gaara, population… three.

    *Eats super for sustainance.* @__@

  45. *Enters Team Gaara and Shoots Tenrai with a specialized Naga Jolokia pepper bomb*

  46. @ Tenrai – what the popultion of Sasori?

  47. Bubble nr 1: Um, Naruto… Curing Wankers Cramp does not involve getting Gai naked.
    caption nr 1: It doesnt?

    Bubble nr 2: Wth hell is that?
    caption nr 2: You dont wanna know o.O

    Yes, Bench proves that Kishi likes Star Wars! The name Darth Vader was brought up. We finally got the proof! >:D
    Btw, what the hell was up with their noses? They looked detachable

  48. @Tenrai, wow you sure weren’t kidding when you said yours may be longer….wait, that didn’t come out right, sounds weird O_O

    “Firstly, he had mobility and he was able to avoid Gaara’s sand, something that Sasori doesn’t have and secondly, he was able to hold Suna hostage.”

    Sasori is a puppetmaster so its pretty obvious he’s just at good at evasion as Deidara. Remember puppetmasters have to keep themselves at a certain distance from their opponents (and not even that’s an Achilles Heel since Sasori turned himself into a puppet, thus eliminating the puppetmaster’s only weakness). As for Deidara, of course he had to use underhanded tactics. He was in Gaara’s environment (a huge desert) and didn’t bring enough clay to fight with. Its still pretty obvious that he was stronger than Gaara by his performance against Sasugay.

    “In a one on one battle, Gaara wouldn’t have to focus on protecting anyone else. The two situations aren’t even remotely similar.”

    Oh. You’re right. They aren’t similar. Gaara doesn’t have a desert available to him from the get-go, his opponent is TRYING to kill him and his opponent isnt coming in with little artillery ^^

    “No, it was actually because the sand jammed into the joints of the puppets, not because it simply stuck to them.”

    Well Gaara isn’t shown to be able to control his sand on that level. He’d have to get the sand into the puppets and use his chakra to keep the sand in place. With the effects of magnetism, it isnt that difficult for the iron sand to stay together instead of just falling apart. Also, THE PUPPETMASTERS ARE FROM SUNA! Its a HUGE DESERT. Kankuro was even shown to be able to fight there with no side effects to his puppets lol. You’d think the puppets would be able to deal with regular sand getting into their parts…that sounded weird as well 😛

    “When have we ever seen Gaara become fatigued from creating sand?”

    He was down and had to rest after creating the sand and using it. As Kazekage he manipulated much more sand but wasn’t as fatigued, so it can be reasoned that actually creating that much sand is strenuous for him.

    “Against Deidara, he was able to stop a village destroying bomb without and drain to himself either and was able to move enough of a mass of sand, to cover an entire village”

    Then he promptly passed out after barely moving it form above Suna ^^

    “That actually helps my argument for Gaara’s defense more than it counters it.”

    Well actually it doesnt. Kimimaro’s Clematis:Flower was only one small structure when compared to Gaara’s larger defense. Which would hurt more, if I threw a diamond that fits in the palm of a hand at you, or if I threw a boulder the size of a mini-van? (well I think the diamond would hurt more since the boulder would kill, BUT THAT’S BESIDES THE POINT BWAHAHAHAHA!)

    “the Raikage’s lightning infused attacks, which should be Gaara’s weakness according to most people.”

    Sand isn’t Doton so I don’t know why some people assume that -_-. Anyhoo, we know the sand can block kicks and punches, but can it block tons of iron focused to on single point? We know Chidori could pierce it, so something like Sasori’s needle-tipped Iron Sand should be able to as well.

    “Actually, I was thinking more along the lines of Deidara’s bombs”

    You mean the small little bird-bombs? Wow, those sure are powerful lol. Then there. When Deidara used his village-buster, Gaara had to use a massive amount of sand and getting into place and removing it left him unconscious.

    “Comparing Gaara, to Chiyo and Sakura, is not going to really help your argument…. he would meet the same fate.”

    Actually, it does help my argument because (arguably) the two of them are strong ninjas. Chiyo is also a long-range fighter, just like Gaara. So the basic strategy for the both of them is to keep the enemy at a distance. Sakura being a short-range fighter that Chiyo could manipulate is only an advantage. Also, did you know that sand has iron it? Sasori could easily extract the iron from the sand with the Third Kazekage’s magnetic chakra and use it to give Gaara a pounding. The more sand Gaara makes, the more Iron Sand Sasori gets >_>. As for clogging up the puppets, read above ^—

    “And who’s to say he can’t just create a larger sphere of sand to last him longer? ”

    Actually, Deidara did. Gaara carries around a set amount of sand which he uses to make that sphere so he cant make it any bigger than in his fight with Deidara. Well, he could theoretically make it bigger by spreading the sand thinner, but then it wouldn’t be much of a defense then would it? You cant solve one problem without creating another here. He either inhales poison or suffocates to death…or his defense gets too week and he gets an iron sand spear through the chest.

    “Tell me, how would Sasori escape being trapped a kilometer under the earth while being crushed by Gaara’s desert funeral? I just don’t see it happening.”

    This is an obscure fact, but Sasori can fly using the propeller thingies on his body (I’ve never read the entire battle of Sasori vs Sakura and Chiyo in the manga, but it was shown in the anime and video games). also, his puppets can fly too. Its not too hard to evade Gaara when you’re flying, Deidara was barely paying attention.

    “I don’t even need to counter that, because this is Sasori vs Gaara, not Sasori vs Chiyo and Sakura ”

    Well that wasn’t actually directed at you Ten. It was for “Captain Awesome”. Sorry I didn’t make that clear, my bad.

    “If it was, Akatsuki would have chosen him and not Deidara”

    Well Sasori didn’t seem hesitant to fight Gaara when they invaded. Plus Akatsuki is just stupid. If I led Akatsuki I would send Kisame to capture every Jinchuriki. And I definitely wouldn’t have sent Hidan out to capture anything alive…so yeah.

    *shoots Tenrai’s Spoilers*

    I’ve waited too long to be spoiled now 😡

  49. @pein sry Tenrai too busy writhing in pain.Now, about your question I’d say there would be about me, tenrai and everyone that tenrai ate.

    —————————————————————-
    It’s slighty faster with japanese voices and a few seconds of extra content

  50. Yeah Im going with sasori on this one folks. He doesn’t tire, unlike gaara, he fights at a long range forcing gaara to come at him with more energy, and the iron sand is a far greater and versatile tool in my opinion than normal sand. And Gaara doesn’t even carry enough of his special sand to combat the third kazekage’s amount. Plus did you not see what sasori’s water jets were doing to solid rock? He was destroying them easily, and his fire was hot enough to melt kunai in mid flight, which would mean any normal sand would turn into glass, removing it from gaara’s control, unless kishi were to pull off some avatar the last air bender thing in this theoretical fight.

    It’s true that Gaara could theoretically clog up sasori’s puppets, however, sasori had approximately 298 human puppets at his command,and with his poison being on everything, one hit is all it would take for gaara to lose. On that point sasori would have won if it wasn’t for the antidote sakura created. Sasori also showed the ability to switch his heart to his other puppets seemingly on command which means that sasori would have approximately 298 potential bodies to hide in. I’ll give gaara credit because he did use a lot of energy chasing down deidara who is far more mobile than sasori in battle, and he was distracted by deidara’s bomb that he dropped on the village, so it should be closer than what kisu is saying, but just going by the fact that gaara can not afford to take a single hit from sasori, while sasori has hundreds of bodies at his disposal inclines me to take sasori’s side the longer the fight goes.

  51. Gaara can just use Ryusa Bakuryu/Sabaku Taiso combo and end it

  52. Yo Alec! Erosennin and Alec making guest appearances on the same post. Now that’s something.

    I admit Sasori has a lot of bodies to hide in but that jutsu takes time to bring out. Sasori’s body is a fragile puppet and he was never shown to be fast, at all. I think Gaara would just have to lift some sand up around him and do a sand coffin crushing Sasori’s body and his heart before he brings out his army of puppets.

    The poison needles and other attacks would have to get past Gaara’s ultimate defense and if Gaara needs more sand he can create more by crushing the rock underneath him. Sasori’s fire and water jet shooters would pose a problem unless Gaara manages to evade by air and fall out of reach.

  53. BUBBLE: umm bee you know there’s a python hanging from your groin?

    CAPTION: But there are no snakes on the isla— oh…

    @super, eh it’s been a while man… true but i’m going to assume this is a neutral territory where there isn’t a bunch of sand laying around everywhere like back in his village, and that he’ll need tons of chakra to break down more sand. But if it were sasori instead of deidara capturing gaara in the beginning i think gaara would have won that fight. But i’m just thinking that sasori would be smart enough to drag on the fight weakening Gaara’s defense and he still had one more scroll on his back that he didn’t use during the fight with chiyo and that annoying girl. Either way i think it would be a lot closer than what some people are guessing.

  54. @superdude, at around the 7:35 mark it looks like Sasori’s no slouch when he wants to move either. Plus his speed stat is 4.5, so he isn’t slow -_-‘

  55. Bubblition:
    “uuhh…dude, I think you should get that checked out.”
    caption: advanced gonorrhea

  56. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter how many puppets Sasori has. They simply lack the physical power to overcome his ultimate defense. I just don’t see any of Sasori’s puppets even posing a problem, except for the Kazekage puppet.

    Even then, it is just too easy for Gaara to just destroy it. Without the puppet Sasori has lost half of his battle strength against Gaara.

    As for Sasori himself, I also don’t think he has enough physical power to break through Gaara’s defense at all and his poison attacks won’t be worth anything if they can’t even reach their target. Even if they somehow do, let’s not forget about Gaara’s sand armor, which has saved him from very severe attacks, including a point blank range explosion compliments of Deidara’s ant bombs. Anyone else would have been nothing more than a mess of body parts after something like that, which only further proves the endurace of the last line of defense Gaara has. It may only take a scratch for Sasori to defeat his opponents, but I just don’t see Gaara getting scratched at all, unless Sasori’s attacks have a severe amount of punch behind them.

    Sasori’s fire attack from the scroll on his back wouldn’t break through either, if Gaara just saturates his defense with more sand. The only scroll I see causing problems is the water scroll and once again, I still don’t think it will really help that much. It can cut through rock, yes, and that means it could possibly cut through Gaara’s sand, but it can also be easily avoided. If an old lady and Saukra can dodge it without even being nicked, Gaara shouldn’t have a problem either. Let’s also not forget that as he is now, he can even dissolve his own body into sand to get away if need be.

    All those scrolls, however, also have a limited time for usage, so once they are gone, that’s all there is to it and Sasori won’t have anything else sufficient enough to break through Gaara’s defense. People are underestimating the amount of sand Gaara can control at once. If he could control enough to cover the whole of Suna, then I don’t see how Sasori can just overcome something like that with his arsenal, even if he can control hundreds of puppets.

    Remember, puppets will always have a limit in number and they can be destroyed, while in Gaara’s case, he can just make more sand for as long as he needs to and there is no real way to get rid of it.

  57. @Tenrai, the more sand Gaara creates, the more iron sand the Kazekage will have to use. Also, we know for a fact that the Sand Armor takes up the most chakra for Gaara tro use. It was pierced by Chidori, so a needle the size of a skyscraper hurled at it should be able to pierce it as well (Lee’s fists were enough to break it).

    Normally, I don’t disregard anime stuff, but turning into sand directly contradicts what the manga has already established. Even the most recent chapter (512) has Gaara saying he can travel on his sand, not that he can turn into it. If him turning into sand didn’t go against the manga I would have accepted it. :/

    Lets see, Gaara isnt exactly the most mobile opponent. He stand still and waves his arms to win, so he isnt fast. Chiyo and Sakura are medical-nin and they are specifically trained to be agile and be able to dodge, Chiyo even more so because she’s a pupetmaster. Gaara is slow and doesn’t have that kind of maneuverability. ^_-

    And IF Sasori can’t break Gaara’s defense (lol yeah right), he can always use his poison gas. Then that’s game over.

  58. @ Tenrai – The thing is I think Gaara would of had a better chance against Sasori before having the 1 Tails removed, Though I think they are closely match I will have to go for Sasori in this one, he seems to be a much more versatile fighter, since most puppet masters do not actually fight in the open like Sasori vs Suckura and Old lady, he would first hide himself and then fight hidden, he was arrogant in the battle we saw but remember he was able to defeat the 3rd Kazekage that has gotta be proof that he can in some measure fight against the sand or even have some sort of counter, cause he would of had it much tougher, So he would fight Gaara… Sasori is actually a long range fighter

    “As puppets are usually installed with long-range weapons, Sasori was an expert at fighting at long distances.”

    Gaara can minipulate sand and has a good defense but Sasori is fighting in some senses with air, I mean if Sasori throws out about 10 Puppets at a time to get to gaara covering the battle field with Poison gas it would make Gaara a sitting duck, Gaara though does have weakness in that his Sand is either not potent enough or it is too little, its always a trade off… So he can manipulate all the sand in the world but in the end the more he uses the weaker it becomes, even the sand coffin he uses, he has to act more then once cause he seems to send pulses of pressure to attack and find his opponent…

    I think the fact that Sasori could defeat the 3rd Kazekage in battle and still keep him alive to make him a puppet gives him the edge, and if Sasori give Gaara more respect then he gave the old lady and suckura then he will plan his battle much better, but all that aside Sasori is now Kankuro’s and Kabuto’s property 😛

    Also remember Gaara used a lot of Sand against Deidara when he was still the host and that would mean he had a lot more chakra then now… So maybe the amount of Sand he can use has been reduced…

    Gaara sand could probably survive against the heat of Sasori’s fight jets (Cause it survived Amutsra without turning to glass) but water may make it difficult for gaara to control @_@

  59. Oh and Pickles Great Breakdown!!! I also been watching Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged, best part.
    Madara: …Friendship sucks.

    Naruto: Oh, it is on, bitch!

  60. @Kisu

    “the more sand Gaara creates, the more iron sand the Kazekage will have to use”

    Eh? What is that supposed to mean? Unless you can show me a means as to how the Kazekage puppet can actually create more iron sand, that point is invalid.

    “Normally, I don’t disregard anime stuff, but turning into sand directly contradicts what the manga has already established. Even the most recent chapter (512) has Gaara saying he can travel on his sand, not that he can turn into it. If him turning into sand didn’t go against the manga I would have accepted it. :/”

    Very well, I will concede to that point and refer strictly to the manga then, I that is preferable, however, that hardly means Gaara is not mobile. Even you have to admit, that on his sand, he can travel quickly. Either way, he can simply fly out of the range of Sasori’s attacks, regardless. If Gaara resorts to a strictly long range battle from the sky, that only makes it that much harder for Sasori to beat him.

    “And IF Sasori can’t break Gaara’s defense (lol yeah right), he can always use his poison gas. Then that’s game over.”

    I already gave examples of how Gaara can defend against poison gas. Even then, I will just defer to his ability to fly. If he is out of reach, even poison gas would be useless.

    Tell me Kisu, how would Sasori penetrate Gaara’s defenses if he cannot even reach him? All he has to rely on is the kazekage puppet and that would be easily destroyed by Gaara’s sand.

  61. @Pein

    I thought when we had these debates, we used each combatant in their prime, or when they are at their strongest. If Gaara was at his strongest when he had the Ichibi, then that is the Gaara we would be using, no?

    We also can’t ignore that in that case, Gaara also has access to Fuuton attacks, which could easily blow away any poison gas.

  62. @ Tenrai – Oh O_O in that case, I think all gaara would need to do is fall Asleep and let the Ichibi take over to win… If in a spot of bothers I guess 😛 I thought the debate went the latest levels (or closest to when they died), So for example if we debated the Old man Stone Kage it would be him now and not at his prime of youth?????

    Cause it is unknown if Sasori had much growth in strength or weakened in some way when turning into a puppet himself, we seen Gaara’s growth but not his so it would be unfair to assume the battle between Chiyo, Suckura vs Sasori was him at his prime, Its like if all we knew about Itachi was his battle with Sasuke we would assume he is weaker then he should be?

  63. “Eh? What is that supposed to mean? Unless you can show me a means as to how the Kazekage puppet can actually create more iron sand, that point is invalid”

    Its a simple experiment really. The next time you go to the beach, gather some sand and run a magnet through it. The iron in the sand will stick to the magnet. You might need to google the step-by-step instructions though. Kisu tends to be unreliable in experiments (just ask my biology teacher :P)

    @Tenrai, I kinda already told you how your defense of Gaara hiding in a floating ball wouldn’t work. As you can see here:

    ““And who’s to say he can’t just create a larger sphere of sand to last him longer? ”

    Actually, Deidara did. Gaara carries around a set amount of sand which he uses to make that sphere so he cant make it any bigger than in his fight with Deidara. Well, he could theoretically make it bigger by spreading the sand thinner, but then it wouldn’t be much of a defense then would it? You cant solve one problem without creating another here. He either inhales poison or suffocates to death…or his defense gets too week and he gets an iron sand spear through the chest.”

    Also, I already said Sasori can fly using his propeller thingies 😛

  64. “If Gaara was at his strongest when he had the Ichibi, then that is the Gaara we would be using, no?”

    WHAAAAAAT!? IF I KNEW THAT I WOULD’VE SAID NAGATO BEFORE GEDO MAZO COULD JUST STOMP ORO! GAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!! I thought we used characters at the power levels they had when we last saw them unless specifics are named 😦

    If its Gaara with Shukaku, he loses even faster. His sand shield disappears when he goes into his half-Shukaku form and if Naruto at 12 could destroy his sand coating, then Sasori can even more easily than Naruto. So if Gaara transforms he gets rid of the poison gas, but opens himself up to everything else Sasori has.

    If Gaara turned full Shukaku he’s just a bigger target. Plus with 100 puppets Sasori could easily hit Gaara and send the Shukaku back inside. Then Gaara would be extremely weak (after the Shukaku was sent back he had to resort to actually punching Naruto), plus every time Naruto transforms he’s tired as hell after. Using Shukaku is a mistake here that I seriously doubt Gaara would make :/

  65. Naruto is out.

    http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/86830648/1

    @Kisu

    I said “if” he is stronger with the Ichibi, but yes, we do normally use characters in their best state. Otherwise, Itachi would lose a lot more debates, seeing as how the last time we saw him, he was on death’s bed. Lol.

    Now read the manga. <__<

  66. Heh, I figured the manga was out since I couldn’t get to mangastream. I probably wont read it until about an hour from now, when less people are are reading 😛

  67. From what i understood from the last chapter it was goin to be Gaara that would back up Naruto, appears that i was wrong.

    How does the Tsuchikage fly anyway? He just casually floated during the Sasuke vs Kage fight and nobody seemed to question or point it out. And he can appearantly let other fly as well. Kishi aint even trying to hide the DBZ references.

    Anyway, it was an okay chap with its funny moments but nothing that really made me go WOW like the last chap.

  68. Hah. Guess Earth Element can be used for bunshin after all.

  69. @roku92 at least it’s the tsuchikage’s ability compared a certain manga where you needed special objects then later all of a sudden everybody could fly.

  70. @roku, everyone did observe the Tsuchikage could fly -_-

    @Kanton, I hear ya man. That manga’s explanation doesnt explain how they fly. It only explains how they stand and walk on air >_>

  71. Pretty sure the Tsuchikage is using his chakra and platforms made of earth underneath his feet – most likely – in order to “fly.” More like elevate.

    Also, this most recent anime episode sassy uke gay saus didn’t get much screen time. :O Still terrible though.

    Sasori most likely had his tactics strengthened when he became a puppet himself, because then he could hide things that aren’t organs inside his body, and not to mention his own poison doesn’t affect him, therefore he should be able to fight in his own cloud of poison. If it wasn’t for the fact that he apparently needs to be stationary to release it? I don’t totally understand that but whatever.

  72. I wonder if the storyline is progressing so fast because Kishi is working on his new manga (which just happens to have an underachieving character who has a DREAM of becoming something…ORIGINALITY FAIL).
    I mean, the story’s never moved along at this kinda pace before. Don’t know if it’s good or bad…whaddaya think out there WRA?

  73. @kahmix, meh, I like the fast pace. It means this manga is almost over 🙂

  74. Good chapter, it is moving really fast. Didn’t expect a fight this soon but nothing wrong with a fight. Especially if it’s a great fight.

    I wonder, is Naruto really about to end?

  75. @roku

    I believe that the Tsuchikage’s abilities allow hinm to manipulate mass and density. It would explain how he is able to float or fly (by redusing his own mass and the mass of others) and it also explains that big cube attack he used on Sasuke (creating an object of incredible mass and density).

    @people thinking Naruto is gonna end.

    Who knows, maybe it is in its final stages, maybe it isn’t, but just because the pace is great, that doesn’t mean it’s suddenly over. There’s still so much that has to happen. I really don’t see this manga ending in less than at least 100 chapters from now, if that really is the case.

    *eats Kisu for being anti-Naruto*

  76. I believe that the Tuchikage is actually going to have a pretty tough battle on his hands, even if he is more powerful than Deidara.

    Why? Because Deidara is now practically immortal, if our previous observations of Edo Tensei are anything to go by. Any damage he sustains would technically regenerate in a matter of moments and that makes it near impossible to kill him now unless the Tsuchikage knows some sort of sealing technique.

    Of course, all of this may not be 100% accurate now, if the nature of Edo Tensei has now changed since Kabuto has ‘enhanced’ it. I guess we havce to wait and see. But what I am really excited about is Naruto and Bee fighting Kabuto.

    It would be the most epic battle, if Kabuto summons the likes of Jiraiya or Kushina to get an emotional edge over Naruto. That would also make it a very emotional battle as well.

  77. wow dude, I didn’t even consider him pullin out the ol pervy sage against naruto. Considering how twisted Oro was when he fought the 3rd, I could definitely see that happening.
    The unfortunate thing now though is that the new kabuto’s being developed as nothing more than an enhanced copycat. Pulling out manda v.2 was kinda lame.

    Anyways, taking things back a bit, I remember there was some discussion after naruto got the whole back story from his momz and sealed the kyubi w/ the new seal that maybe he’s got some new sealing techs from his parents along w/ the juicy new chakra. A fight against kabuto’s edo army could be a good place to pull something like that out since they theoretically can’t be hacked to death

  78. @ Katmix – We should of known Kabuto would become a lot like Oro we saw how the DNA had affected him earlier in the manga, but we had seen in comparison Oro was seeming weak, as a villain, so I think Kishi just used this to keep his plan without making it seem too much of a leap, Manda 2.0 was okay, but what got me excited is the prospects of other “experiments” Kabuto been busy with, I like that he allows his slaves to retain their full personalities and strategies (though was this different vs the third)… I think bringing Jiriya and Kishina back would be epic, Master of Sage and Master of the Kyuubi fight the best of both @_@

    I would like to know how much info Kabuto actually has on everything.

    @ Naruto ending – well not anytime soon I think, Kishi wont want to end it too soon cause its his meal ticket 😛 I also don’t see an end within 100 chapters, sure a lot happening at once but remember a lot been revealed (I mean they still had time to show an armadilo’s balls O_O)

  79. Kanton: Aye

    Kisu: I meant more like how no character seemed even slightly suprised or faced that the Tsuchikage kept floating in midair during moments at the Kage summit. Not even any fodder pointing it out yet when any other person there showed some ability it was loudly aknowledged or explained.

    Tenrai: One theory ive heard was that he got the Dust element(wind and earth) and that that huge cube was made of dust that grinded through stuff. And he uses dust to carry himself.
    The mass thing is an interesting theory but how do the other control themselves while flying?(as shown Akasutchi could fly by his own commands) The dust theory doesnt exactly work here either.

    Naruto ending: Nah, it still got a while to go. Atleast another 100 chapters. But i think it have passed the halfway mark a while ago.

  80. @ Roku – So you saying the Tsuchikage is like Tinkerbell all you need is to sprinkle some fairy dust and believe <_<

    maybe it becomes like swimming, a person has certain control of how much they go up or down in water cause of the density etc so it could be once the Tsuchikage makes them lighter its not like helium lighter then air but more like equal to it, and that gives them the ability to fly ^_^

  81. Bubble: Theres a debate under me

    Caption: Even ninja fear WRA’s Debate wars @.@

  82. @pein: or – maybe he can stand on air in the same way most Naruto shinobi can stand on water?

  83. *crawls out of Ten’s basement*

    *takes a shower*

    I actually want Naruto to end. That way, it’ll end on a high note. Let’s hope Kishi doesn’t drag this out too long until it hurts to read it, like a certain other mangaka did with his manga whose name will not be mentioned >_>

  84. @pein: Fairy dust, huh?

    This deviantartist read your mind… @_@

    http://adell021.deviantart.com/art/Demotivational-Pixie-Dust-182731526?q=boost:popular+naruto+513+demotivational&qo=0

  85. so I guess its official then? Sasori wins 😀

  86. Pein: Well…
    That wasnt what i intended when stating that old theory but yeah, maybe hes Tinkerbells dad, lol.

    That density theory sounds plausible, that is if they moved like they were swimming, which they didnt. Lowering your density to that of air would make u float, but theres nothing about your answer that explains how they would move through the air like friggin Superman!

    Dragon: I think many more did think of the fairy dust bit, lol
    Like in gabzillaz latest journal entry

    btw
    When u post links and youtube clips, do u just write the code or do u need to do something special?

  87. @kisu – How does Sasori win? Sand Armour + Sand Shield + Shukaku Claw = impenetrable defense + overwhelming attack. Besides, Gaara can fly without limit, Sasori can only fly as far as his inbuilt hose thingy allows him to. On top of that, poison mist is heavier than air, thus it has a limit as to how high it reaches before immediately beginning to sink back to the ground. And lastly, he has the chakra bank of a jinchuuriki. Gaara trumps Sasori in every way.

    Now let’s move onto a more interesting debate. Like Sasori VS Jeff Dunham. >_>

  88. Right just on the subject of Ultimate Ninja Storm 2,im going to have my input and say its amazing!!!! and ive only played the demo 😛

  89. “How does Sasori win?”

    Read above.

    “Now let’s move onto a more interesting debate. Like Sasori VS Jeff Dunham. >_>”

    Dunham wins this. Achmed cam just blow himself up

  90. @kisu – your arguments are flawed for several reasons. Firstly, as I said before, poison mist is heavier than air. If Gaara flies high enough, the poison mist doesn’t touch him. Secondly, Sasori can’t fly. Re-read the manga and you’ll see.

    http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-271/09/

  91. @Darks, so you’re saying if Sasori blankets Gaara’s sand orb in poison mist, NONE of the poison mist will get in because it will instantly fall back to the earth as opposed to gradually?

    Flight, Sakura was pulling the cable back yet he was still going forward. That means he can indeed fly. Launching the cable first was just for a speed boost. Just watch the video clip I posted above and you’ll see.

    KISU HAS NO FLAWS!…he just lets everyone think he does because if he doesnt they would be blinded by his radiant perfection 😉

  92. @kisu – mist = liquid, and thus heavier than air. If it blankets the orb (and that’s a big IF – seeing as Gaara has been shown to fly incredibly quickly) it either falls to the ground or lands on the orb. If it lands on the orb, it will run down the sides and drip off. That won’t kill him (unless he gets thirsty and tries to drink it -_-) and once the air is clean, he can emerge from his sand orb.

    Flight. That clip you posted proves that he can propel himself forward. You need to prove that he can fly up and down WITHOUT the use of his hose thing before I’ll concede that point.

  93. @Darks, join me, it is your destiny.

    Flight. seriously Darks, at 8:10 onward Sasori changes his flight paths and does spins in mid-air -_-‘. What more proof could you need? Want me to go fetch some video game videos of him flying? lol

    By the way, who said the gas was a mist? We don’t know its chemical make-up. All we know is its a poison gas. So it beats his sand sphere. Also, Gaara has never been known to move his sand sphere around. In his fight with Sasuke and Deidara it was stationary (and in one of his filler fights as well, if that counts). Perhaps he CAN move it around, but he just doesn’t do it. Who are we to say he’ll do it against Sasori?

  94. I suddenly want orbit gum :/

  95. @kisu – you’re not convincing anyone. If he could fly with the propellers alone, why have the hose thing in the first place?

    And it really doesn’t matter whether it is a mist or a gas. Unless the gas is EXACTLY THE SAME WEIGHT as the air (which is impossible), it will either rise and be blown away or sink. Either way, unless Sasori has an infinite supply of the stuff, the air will eventually clear and Gaara can come out to play.

    And while we’re at it, has Sasori ever been shown to use poison mist? If not, the point is moot anyway. As far as I’ve seen, only Shizune can use it. If Sasori hasn’t used it, we shouldn’t even be bringing it up.

    Kisu, give me a good reason as to why Gaara wouldn’t move his sphere.

    Oh, and apparently a cousin of mine read my breakdowns. Said I did good during a family gathering today. Now there are others who know my inner nerdiness. O_o

  96. “apparently a cousin of mine read my breakdowns”

    Relatives…can’t live with ’em…can’t live with ’em >_>

    “EXACTLY THE SAME WEIGHT as the air (which is impossible)”

    [Note: NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY] LMAO! And people spitting fire, flying, summoning stuff from nowhere manipulating water etc isnt!? XD! That made my night Darks. YOU DA MAN (or Avatar thingy)!

    “If he could fly with the propellers alone, why have the hose thing in the first place?”

    The hose thingy (lol hose) was used as an attack. Plus it adds to his flying speed, so why NOT have it? That’s like asking why the Batmobile (I can’t believe Batmobile hasn’t been turned into a real word by now >:() has a booster. It’s already fast, the booster just makes it faster, same with Sasori my man O_O

    “it will either rise and be blown away or sink.”

    What I’m asking is if it will instantaneously sink and/or rise. If not, then Gaara will HAVE to inhale some of it. And as Chiyo said, even a small whiff (OMG! Whiff is a word and batmobile isnt!?) of it can kill you.

    “And while we’re at it, has Sasori ever been shown to use poison mist?”

    Yep, at about 7:42

  97. “Kisu, give me a good reason as to why Gaara wouldn’t move his sphere.”

    Uhm, because every time he’s used it he never moves it (which is a total of three times) even though moving it would be the smart thing to do O_O

    In the above clip I posted it basically answers my question about the poison gas. It won’t disappear instantly, it’ll stay there for a while then Sasori can just release more so either Gaara suffocates, or gets poisoned (and Sasori said even a little bit will kill you)

    And I know this is a video game, but it doesn’t contradict the manga or anime because all of them show Sasori flying, the cable is used only for added speed…

    In that game he can fly..but I’m not basing my argument on a video game (lol they actually had specials for Ino and Sakura before the timeskip so that instantly kills its credibility), I’m just using another form of media to back up my claim. Only thing left now is for a Naruto movie to feature Sasori soaring with the eagles (besides, none of this matters since his other over-100 puppets can fly)

  98. No, kisu, that’s a reason why he hasn’t moved his sphere before. I asked for a reason as to why he WOULD’NT move his sphere now. Tell me what could possibly compel him to stay absolutely stationary in his sand ball if or when he knows he’d need to.

    And as I see it. The poison gas covers a small area in gas that stays in one place before dissipating. On top of that, only the Kazekage puppet has been shown to use it. Gaara can easily avoid it with his sand sphere and emerge in another place. And there’s a limit to how much gas he can produce.

    Come on, Kisu, you’re selling Sasori short here. All the techniques at his disposal, and you’re trying to use a puff of poison to win this.

    I disregard your game clip as evidence. You’ll never be able to prove that Sasori can fly without his cable, let alone that he can fly with the same flight range and capabilities as Gaara.

  99. @Darks, selling Sasori short? Nope. I’ve already countered all of Gaara’s “advantages” and this is the only thing left to cover. The poison gas is enough to get Sasori the win.

    Also, we don’t even know how mobile the Sand sphere is. Every time its been used its always been stationary. Even when it would be a benefit to move it he keeps it still. Why? Ask Gaara or Kishi. So I disregard Gaara using his Sand Sphere like a Millennium Falcon

    On flight, there’s overwhelming evidence to show he CAN fly. The fact that Sakura was pulling his cable and he kept going forward, changing flight paths and doing spins shows he can fly.

    Only the Kazekage puppet can use poison gas? Nope. Those were puppet hands that were spitting out the gas. In other words, Sasori used summoning jutsu to bring out those hands. So most of his puppets have poison gas

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thousand_Hands_Manipulation_Military_Art
    (hate using that as a reference)

  100. @kisu it seems that you forgotten the fact that Gaara can attack while defending plus the fact that Sasori starts in Hiruko.

  101. Kisu:

    “Also, we don’t even know how mobile the Sand sphere is.”

    Gaara can move his sand with chakra. Gaara’s sand sphere is made from his sand. Ergo, Gaara can move his sand sphere. There is no conclusive evidence to prove otherwise. Just because he hasn’t in the past doesn’t mean he can’t or won’t.

    “The fact that Sakura was pulling his cable and he kept going forward, changing flight paths and doing spins shows he can fly.”

    No, they don’t. You’re taking that video clip and blowing it up into something it isn’t. Stick to the facts. He does NOT change directions, he does NOT change flight paths. He was propelling himself forward with the momentum he built up with his cable and doing barrel rolls (more likely added to the anime just to up the coolness factor, seeing as them barrel rolls are absent in the manga). This is not flight, and this is certainly not “overwhelming evidence”.

    “In other words, Sasori used summoning jutsu to bring out those hands. So most of his puppets have poison gas”

    How did you make the leap from “Sasori used summoning jutsu to bring out those hands” to “So most of his puppets have poison gas”? Who says the arms that were summoned were from the puppets that he brings into a fight? Again, you jump to a conclusion with not nearly enough evidence to back it up. The facts are, only the Kazekage puppet has been shown to have the summoning contracts necessary to summon the thousand hands tech, which are the only objects of Sasori’s we’ve seen that have the ability to spew poison mist. Therefore, you can only argue that the Kazekage puppet is the only puppet with poison mist capability.

    “I’ve already countered all of Gaara’s “advantages” and this is the only thing left to cover.”

    Then humor me. How did you overcome Gaara’s PROVEN flight advantage? All of Sasori’s techniques have a range. Is Gaara stays outside of it, he can avoid them all and rain down sand bullets from the safety of the skies.

  102. @kisu about the sand sphere he can move it why if he can moved the large amount of sand he used to defend against Deidara C3 half-dead. Then it should be a problem for him to move the much smaller sand sphere that contains his special sand, while he is his top form.

  103. @ arpotu – Technically they don’t walk on water cause they lighter but because they push chakra from their feet so it more like stilts though it can apply that they are lighter and sending a lot of chakra down to the earth to keep them up but I doubt it.

    @ Dragon – hahahaha yeah, just gotta think happy thoughts.

    @ roku92 – yeah they don’t seem to swim, but then again there seems to be now seen way they are being pushed forward, up or down… unless maybe Arpotu is right about the chakra and it is being used to push them around at a lighter density?

    @ Darks – I will agree that maybe Gaara can move his sand but this may work as a disadvantage since his sand shield is usually solid to be inpenatrable I think gaara will find it hard to remove the and still remain so powerful, when the sand moves it will have to loosen slightly making an opening (that is probably why he hasn’t done it before) or else why not move?? also since he hasn’t we can even say the speed he could do it. He should of then been trying to move away from Suna against deidara if that is the case?

    how about this technique:
    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Sand_World_Order

    All he needs is to scratch Gaara and Gaara’s unbeatable defense was beaten by Sasgay so not invincible, either (no lightning is not Sand’s weakness or gaara’s since he is actually supposed to be wind)

    “only Kazekage puppet can use poison mist” we have no evidence his other puppets can’t, Sasori was obsessed with Poisons, he created them so often and he laced almost all his weapons with it, so it wont be a huge leap to say he could have poison as a weapon in all his puppets or a large amount of them? (its similar to the assumption gaara can just move his sphere without removing it from around himself) can just say we haven’t seen to so it can’t be, it is a fair “assumption” on kisu’s part…

    States have Sasori up by over 5 points… (just saying)

    Gaara is only 3 points better then Sakura, shows you the leap one point actually is 😛

    @ Kanton – Gaara can move sand but we don’t know how much focus he needs to keep his sphere completely indestructible, if it was an option he should of used it against Deidara to move away from the city (even if slowly) or against Sasuke, just move slightly to the left to dodge Chidori, etc etc…

  104. @pein –

    “I think gaara will find it hard to remove the and still remain so powerful, when the sand moves it will have to loosen slightly making an opening”

    Why would he have to loosen the sand to move it? Why not just move the entire orb at once? And how does this affect the fact that if Gaara is out of range, Sasori cannot reach him?

    “All he needs is to scratch Gaara and Gaara’s unbeatable defense was beaten by Sasgay so not invincible”

    Using iron to scratch condensed sand that is stronger than steel? Not a chance. I don’t think you realize just how effective his armor is. Regular steel plate worn by knights during the 13th-14th century made them damn near invincible to sword attacks. Slashes and cuts did not work. Only halfswording (or a lucky stab that wasn’t turned by the plate, which was rare) could penetrate.

    This is the reason Sasuke’s chidori could pierce his armor. Apart from the obvious elemental weakness (no matter what you may say, sand is made from earth and earth as an element is weak against lightning), the chidori is primarily a piercing/stabbing attack. A mountain of pressure focused on a single point. You will not be able to get through Gaara’s armor with anything less than a well placed piercing attack, which given Gaara’s flight advantage (with or without his orb) is damn near impossible anyway. Sasori simply lacks the range.

    “we have no evidence his other puppets can’t [use poison mist]”

    We also have no evidence that Gaara can fart lightning bolts. Does that mean I can use it in a debate than for no other reason than cos “there’s no evidence that says he can’t”?

    No it is not a large assumption, but it is still an assumption, and assumptions have no place here.

    And stats are more of a guide than anything else. Besides, Sakura has the potential to be an incredibly skilled ninja (she does!). Its just that Kishi murdered her character. By making her useless.

  105. @ Darks

    if gaara could “just move the entire orb at once” would he not just always use it as a giant canon ball? he could then just make his outer shell impossible to break and use it as a canon ball, if I had that sort of ability I would use it more often, problem is that sand is Chakra infused and also drains gaara.

    Gaara is out of range, Sasori cannot reach him?

    Sasori is predominantly a long range fighter, he uses missile sort attacks and his example of a true battle he was stuck within a small cave, having a lot of Puppets at his command it is more likely he would use his chakra strings to control the puppet and remain hidden to Gaara during the battle

    Using iron to scratch condensed sand that is stronger than steel? Not a chance.

    if Sand can have the strength of steal, I am sure Iron in this situation can also be stronger then regular iron? he can make the iron into a long needle shape and penetrate gaara’s defense… Gaara could just wait it out and defend but he will then have no means to attack, since the regular sand is not as fast or as powerful as the sand he uses, or else why carry the gourd on his back?

    Gaara’s Sand impressive as it may be is something an opponent can study, and find a weakness to, Sasori has over 100 human puppets each with specific abilities, and having the 3rd Kazekage (noted the most powerful) not as easily to find weakness to.

    And stats are more of a guide than anything else

    Unfortunately for this battle its almost unfair since a lot is mere speculation we can’t say Sasori was so strong only after one “real” battle that we seen Sasori in while Gaara we seen a larger amount of battles and techniques.. that the only reason I brought in the stats

    “Sakura has the potential to be an incredibly skilled ninja (she does!). Its just that Kishi murdered her character. By making her useless.” haha 😉

    “This is the reason Sasuke’s chidori could pierce his armor. Apart from the obvious elemental weakness (no matter what you may say, sand is made from earth and earth as an element is weak against lightning), the chidori is primarily a piercing/stabbing attack”

    Sand and Earth are different fundementally in Naruto (why does gaara have to break up earth to control sand?? if they where one and the same he would be able to control it too? Earth is a solid, electricity can run through a solid easier then a unstable thing like liquid or air (I haven’t done science in ages) Sand is not as dense as earth is that means the current cannot run through as easily as it would with earth… even though Pokemon tought me Earth is unaffected by electrical attacks @_@
    We also know don’t know how much pressure the air sand can create, since it is a magnetic force it is technically almost infinite creating 2 opposite polls continuously until the pressure pushes forward enough to breakthrough… (again I think I fail science last time I took it so i may be wrong about that)

  106. i officially hate the second week of Autumn months. For at least one of my relatives dies. First my great grand mother now my uncle. this sucks.

  107. @ Kanton – Sorry to hear about your loss. Its never easy loosing someone. Hope the rest of your family and you will be alright.

  108. @kanton: i too am sorry for your loss…it’s always tough when a relative dies.

  109. @Kantonkage

    I’m very sorry for your loss and I hope you’ll be OK soon.

  110. Hello everyone, I’m back!!

    *Sees people don’t care*

    OK… Anyway. Awesome breakdown Pickles. Nice Borat and Pokémon references… Not that I know what Pokémon is, off course. Hehehehe… >__>

    “Sakura has the potential to be an incredibly skilled ninja (she does!). Its just that Kishi murdered her character. By making her useless.”

    He did indeed, which is a real shame. Kakashi stated once she had more potential than Tsunade because of her intelligence which could make her an expert genjutsu user. Combine that with her strength and she could be one seriously dangerous ninja. She could genjutsu her target first and than kick ‘m to the curb…
    Now the only potential Sakura has is being more useless than Tenten but at least she has potential. 🙂

  111. Welcome back Red.

    And obviously Kishi was obsessed with Sasuke to the point there was only room enough for two genjutsu users in THIS manga.

  112. Sorry for double post, but sorry to hear that Kanton. My condolences. Hope you are able to bounce back soon.

  113. Nice to be back, for a short stint though, to meet you fine boys and girls. Been a while really. Now straight to business.

    Absolutely fascinating turn of events. The tsuchikage and co meeting up with deidara and kabuto. What really interests me is deidara feels he’s strong enough to take on the tsuchikage and his crew. i’m very curious on how that turns out. Also kabuto’s face-off with killer bee and naruto promises to be epic. From what we’ve seen, it seems kabuto is on a whole new level undoubtedly, but is he able to take on naruto and killerbee, especially in naruto’s current form? I kinda doubt that. Again, if you all noticed something, seems the presence of naruto’s life-force has made yamato’s wood element stronger and dependable, more like hashirama’s. This promises to be mouth-watering.

    Another thing that makes me raise an eyebrow in wonder and speculation is sasuke’s continual off-screen time. Seems kishi is saving sasuke for something devestating, meaning sasuke’s on a whole other level. If that’s anything to go by, naruto has a lot on his plate. It’s starting to become explosive, and explosive is what i’ve waited all this while for.

  114. @ Total – there are so many possibilities, but now that Kabuto is out the house I think Madara may start working with/on Sasuke and his EMS but on screen time I am not sure how long that may take, I think the war will be accelerated now, to create a crisis for Naruto to return to and save… Like maybe Sasuke being put in Konoha and attacking the elders <_< or pushing the military strengths of the Leaf etc… why did Kabuto only take Deidara? maybe the rest will be given to Tobi to attack the villages since Deidara would be the biggest problem if he saw Sasuke, he may blow up again… anyways now waiting for the spoilers but hopeful for a bit more general war, see the Rookie 11 in action, even if briefly and Sasuke's actions.

  115. Maybe kabuto insisted on going on the hunt so he could tip off naruto to what’s going on to prompt him to go on the offensive, kinda like how he gave him info the last time they met. Why? who knows…to make things interesting? He also blatantly led the konoha scout ninjas to madara’s “lair” (i just remembered that). But if his ultimate goal is to make emo-emo with sasuke then I guess it’s a good possibility.

  116. Sorry for the offtopic.
    Is it just me or does anybody else here get a little fed up with the countless number of pointless sexual references in Pickles’ breakdowns? I feel that although his breakdowns are generally a good read, he should back down a little with the naughty stuff. Just my thoughts, no offense intended, I’m just wondering here.

  117. @zzattack: Alot of the breakdowns have dumb stuff like that in them. Alot of the breakdowns have closed circle hurmor, EX: “PICKLES JUMPS THROUGH A HOOP, SUPER IS WAITING UNDERNEATH AND A GIANT VORTEX OPENS UP AND A LAVA GOLEM COMES OUT AND CATCHES SUPER IN A HUG….(Looks away freaked out by events)…” I personally dont find any of that humor funny because i’m not part of their inner circle BUT i dont really care i just skip over them and read the content. I just let them do w.e and not be a stickler about it cause it dosnt really matter.

  118. @ zzattack – watch yu-gi-oh ambridged, the manga breakdowns are more ur ambridged with usually a lighter side of the chapter shown while still writing about plot developments etc. There are a lot of sexual refrences I agree but its just part of his odd humor, we all have our different sense, I always enjoy Pickles breakdowns though cause a lot of the time he sees things in a strange (perverted) way 😛
    many time things are used like the over 9000 reference, rick rolled etc, its internet things that often appear… anyways I hope you can still enjoy the wra experience, you will find in time usually it grows on u…

    @ dricedt – lol, i think those sort of jokes revolve around set members and when we used to have the Chatroll a lot of it was developed from there. If you look at it most of the writers here have a certain sort of character (even commentors) Super, Tenrai, Pickles etc usually have certain things they do that are relative to the blog cause well they the main writers (left out kisu cause he has pink hair @_@ )

    the more u get to know the members and the writers the more u can appreciate that part of a post.
    Kisu – generally evil idea rivals Tenrai in debate (almost like a foil to tenrai) and has undieing love for certain characters…
    Pickles – Pervy
    Super – Super Pervy
    Tenrai – Eats people
    etc etc

    ^:_:^

  119. On an unrelated topic…. I think I should claim victory in the debate since no one seems to be opposing my view…

    hahaha hahaha haha hahaha haha hahaha *evil mandark laugh*

  120. @pein0: Ya, i dont think that his humor is bad or anything, just not my style, different strokes i guess, thats why i dont complain it dosnt really bug me, i dont wanna be a prick to all off you and just be a troll lol

  121. @pein – LOL yeah right. I’m gonna counter your points just cos you said that. XD

    “if gaara could “just move the entire orb at once” would he not just always use it as a giant canon ball?”

    Because, as you noted it probably uses up more chakra as opposed to keeping it in his loose sand cloud shape. Whether it uses up more chakra or not, logically speaking it can be done. He doesn’t need to stay inside it for the duration of the fight – becoming a human cannon ball as you put it – he just needs to use it to evade the poison gas. Then, once he’s out of range, he can revert the sand to its normal state.

    “Sasori is predominantly a long range fighter…”

    The key word in that sentence is “range”, because yes, Sasori’s techniques have a maximum range of effectiveness. Anything outside that range poses no threat. And if Sasori has to shoot directly upwards, gravity reduces his range even further.

    “Sasori has over 100 human puppets each with specific abilities”

    And Gaara has one ability that can block them all. XD

    “(why does gaara have to break up earth to control sand?? if they where one and the same he would be able to control it too?)”

    Maybe he can. O_O Regardless, it would defeat the purpose of him being called “Gaara of the Desert”. He is a sand user by definition. His Bijuu has dominion over sand. It’s his character, as much as snakes are a part of Orochimaru’s character and wood is a part of Yamato’s character.

  122. *********CONFIRMED SPOILER*********
    by: Ohana – 2 Ch

    514: Kabuto’s Plan
    Enraged… At an ex-pupil!!

    Tsuchikage prepares some Chiriton (Clay release) jutsu in mid-air
    Deidara: Things are getting worse and worse! Chiriton all of a sudden? He’s gonna even more fired up! Yeah!!

    Kabuto watches Deidara as he gets on the turtle

    Deidara runs away by getting on a bird
    Tsuchikage: I won’t let you get away!!
    When he releases the Chiriton, Akatsuchi stops him from behind.
    Akatsuchi: If you do that, you’ll kill even the island tortoise!!
    Tsuchikage: Eh! How puzzling! It was so huge I could only see the scenery!!
    Deidara: There’s an opening!! Yeah!!
    He releases a clay bird from his hand and right before Tsuchikage’s eyes: Katsu!!
    The bird explodes, but the attack was blocked by Akatsuchi’s golem
    Tsuchikage: Were you trying to get us away from this island
    Deidara: Akatsuchi’s golem, huh. You’re just the same as ever, clinging around Tsuchikage, you hindering bastard!! Yeah!!

    Manda is going on a rampage on the island
    Kurotsuchi: That damned snake!!
    Kabuto is squating down and doing something
    Kurotsuchi: It’s got to be that guy controlling the snake! He was Orochimaru’s subordinate, even though he’s just a bean sprout of a bastard!!
    Manda tells Kabuto something using telepathy
    Kabuto: I see, Naruto’s somewhere on this turtle huh. In that case… Where is the entrance?

    Naruto is holding his head
    Yamato: (Shit, what’s happening outside!?) S… Seems like there are an aw… Awful lot of earthquakes today, huh
    Aoba: Ye… Yeah!
    Naruto: … Even so, that’s way too many! In the first place were earthquakes ever able to reverse the ground and the sky?
    Yamato: Uh… It just looks like it because it was shaking so much…
    Naruto: Really…? I’m going to go out and take a quick look!!
    Yamato: No, no~~ You’re in the midst of an important S-rank mission, so finish your mission!
    Naruto: But… I’m just going to take a quick look…
    Yamato (makes a stern face): What’s most important to a ninja is to complete his mission as fast as possible!! And that mission is a single mission, that was assigned to you precisely because you are you!! It is a mission only you can do!! That is why you were tasked with it… Do you understand! Naruto!
    Naruto: ….
    The armadillo behind them stretches out
    Aoba: (As expected, even Naruto has begun to notice the abnormalities… We tricked him that this was a S-rank mission but what he is doing is just checking whether animals have a penis. Naruto isn’t an idiot… He must already have figured it out…)
    Naruto: Yeah! I got it! I’ll focus on my mission!!
    Aoba: (Good! For the time being everything is going well! It’s great he’s an idiot!!)

    Kurotsuchi does some seals
    Kabuto notices Kurotsuchi
    Kurotsuchi: (Too slow!!) Youton: Sekkaikori no Jutsu (TN: melting release: hardening quicklime); he spits quicklime out of his mouth
    Kabuto evades the attack: You’ve appeared, huh (I wonder if Aoba is here too…)
    Just then, Yamato, Motoi, Aoba arrive
    Kurotsuchi: Don’t just come out here so nonchalantly! I can take care of him alone!! (as he is saying this…)
    Aoba: You really are Tsuchikage’s granddaughter…
    Kabuto: Excellent… Can I have you lead me to where Naruto is?
    Yamato: A snake… That voice… You couldn’t be…
    Kabuto removes his hood: We meet again, Yamato
    Kurotsuchi: I’ll send a flow over there!!Get him!! (expanding his mouth) Suiton: Mizu Rappa

    (water trumpet)
    Aoba: That’s great!
    Kabuto evades
    Aoba: It’s no good! He read your moves!!
    Kurotsuchi: (while saying “get him!”)… I got him!
    Yamato: This is…
    Kabuto: I see
    Kuro: (My Sekkaikori no Jutsu is instant cement! By spilling some water around, I expand my range… And when it reacts with water, it solidifies!!) With this, you can’t move any more!!
    Yamato: Motoi-san, Aoba, don’t step on this water!
    Cement encases Yamato’s body (TN: I don’t know if Ohana meant Kabuto…)
    Kuro: I have another plan within this plan!
    Aoba: Alright! Once he gets solidified, he’s mine! I’ll get intel out of him!
    Deidara and Tsuchikage and flying towards the sky, they are so fast Akatsuchi is lagging a little
    Deidara (You’ve gotten even faster than when you were in your prime, haven’t you, gramps)
    tsuchikage: You always fought from a long distance! I don’t like that!!
    Deidara: Shut up! (I’ll get him with C4!! yeah!)

    Trees come out of Yamato’s hand, Aoba rides on those trees towards where Kabuto is, solidified
    Aoba: Kabuto… You sure have fallen… Becoming even more and more like Orochimaru
    Kabuto: Before worrying about me, you should worry about falling from there
    Yamato: Aoba, focus!
    Aoba is about to reach Kabuto but Kabuto sheds his skin and becomes a snake. It slithers along Yamato’s tree and nears Yamato. Aoba falls into the cement
    Yamato: He shedded! Is this it!?
    Yamato sends out blocks of wood from his waist, and sends Motoi flying away on them
    Yamato: Motoi-san, stay away!!
    Kabuto bites Yamato…
    Kabuto: Kurotsuchi, I knew how your jutsu worked, so I was able to make you let down your guard
    Aoba: !!?
    Motoi: Yamato!!
    Kuro: Shit!!
    Yamato runs away

    Tsuchikage: You’re pretty good for flying up this high arent you!!
    Deidara: Don’t look down on me, gramps!! Your Chiroton and my Bakuton (exploding release), which of them is Art…?
    From behind Deidara, the Edo Tensei coffins appear
    Deidar: !!? What the hell? I was just at the best part!! Yeah!!
    The coffin shuts and disappears.
    Yamato (TN: I think Ohana meant Kabuto) takes refuge in Manda’s nostrol. Manda disappears.

    Tsuchikage returns
    Tsuchikage: Deidara got away… How about you guys?
    Motoi: Yamato, the one who used Mokuton and was keeping an eye on the Kyuubi, got captured…
    Aoba: Our guy got away too!! Help me out of this situation!! I’ll go right after him!! Where did Kabuto go!?
    Motoi: I cant sense the enemy any more… I don’t know which way he went either. It’s no use.
    Tsuchikage: They couldn’t get as far as the Kyuubi and Hachibi huh… I don’t know about that Mokuton user who probably stood out because he could be used as a hostage for interrogation…
    Tsuchikage gets Aoba out of the cement
    Tsuchikage: The problem now is that intel could get into their hands from that Yamato!
    Aoba: Yamato-san isnt someone you can get intel out of that easily!!
    Tsuchikage: That’s not what I’m saying. If he’s up against Madara, then he has really strong eye jutsu… He won’t be able to do anything if he has those eye jutsu used against him

    Yamato is tied up and falls to the ground
    Yamato: Kuh!
    Madara: You’ve brought me quite a different present, hmm?
    Kabuto: That is certainly true… But this guy was the one watching over the Kyuubi and is in possession of some top-secret information. Even better, with this guy, we can make those Zetsus even stronger… Rather than doing the impossible, the minute we caught this guy, I was choosing the method that would be 4 times more efficient. For you guys, that is.
    Zetsu: …

    Madara’s right eye is the Sharingan; left eye is the Rinnegan
    Madara: In that case, hurry up. This left eye is craving war

    Nagato’s Rinnegan is with Madara…!!

    It seems that Naruto’s on break next week because Kishi’s “doing some data collection/research”. 😦

  123. @ Darks – hahaha thought that might be a provocation enough 😛 (I was getting bored :O)

    I love how u include “logically speaking it can be done.” in Naruto… I mean logically speaking Sand is never that hard 😉 but we do know Gaara can control sand… I was past the poison gas part though, since well I thought it could be countered, but its not like Sasori could just be one dimensional and attack one way all the time, until Gaara actually significantly moves his little ball no one can really say if it would hinder or help him in battle… (though I get the feeling we will see this happen later and someone gonna say told ya so)

    He will escape the gas but by moving away from Sasori doesn’t really give him the biggest advantage, since Sasori can also be hidden… Remember Shino vs Kankuro… same problem would occur since Gaara would have hundreds (or a lot) of puppets coming at him and no way to attack the user… Sasori doesn’t really have much of a limit in length of how far he can control his puppets either so even if Sasori can’t fly his puppets can somehow @_@ so shooting up won’t really be a problem.

    Gaara wont be able to stay in his little ball forever either, he needs to en fuse his chakra into his sand.

    “And Gaara has one ability that can block them all. XD”

    I think we over estimating gaara’s sand here, though a powerful technique fearful etc its not the most powerful technique in the Sand Village even, it has weak points too… Depending on his surroundings though.

    Gaara is actually wind element, bijuu same story, but his control of sand doesn’t mean that electricity will run though it the same as earth, since Sand is not exactly earth (I know this makes no sense but if Gaara can fly science is out 😛 )

    My counter was the Kazekage puppets Iron sand, created into a thin needle sort of object and applying massive amount of pressure on one point of the sheild till it enters and once in expands to cut Gaara slightly and end

    and Gaara’s defense can be broken…

  124. “Is it just me or does anybody else here get a little fed up with the countless number of pointless sexual references in Pickles’ breakdowns? I feel that although his breakdowns are generally a good read, he should back down a little with the naughty stuff. Just my thoughts, no offense intended, I’m just wondering here.”

    It’s the only reason I’m here… I thought that was the same for every one else… I’m confused. @__@

    *redbaron hurt himself in his confusion*

    *redbaron fainted*

  125. @pein – no way to attack? Check this out.

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Quicksand_in_the_Style_of_a_Waterfall

    Reducing Sasori and his hiding spot into dust.

    “I think we are over estimating gaara’s sand here”

    No, in fact we are UNDER estimating it. Even I have been. I had forgotten about a certain recent fight in the manga. Sasuke’s chidori may have been able to pierce Gaara’s sand orb, but this is prolly because gaara was still young and not fully in control of his abilities yet. But now, he doesn’t even need to bring up his orb to be able to do this:

    If it could stop a freaking raiton dropkick from the raikage himself (easily the most destructive character in the series) without breaking a sweat, I’m sure the man can take care of a few puppets.

    And I meant logically in the context of the manga and what we know about gaara’s abilities lol

  126. @dark that was a leg drop also don’t forget he also blocked Amaterasu at the freaking same time.

  127. Dark and Kanton officially win the debate for gaara. Done.

  128. If Gaara wanted to he could make a fan out of his sand and use his chakra to manipulate it so as to blow the stuff away. I imagine he also has gained some wind element that way he can enhance something similar to a sandstorm, but that part’s just speculation.

  129. whats up guys. i seem to never check in until the debate is already decided. next time..anyways is this edo tensei deidera or is it a zetsu?depending on the answer, i think this war is going to have atkatsuki working as the most powerful fodder a village has ever seen, since zetsu clones arent as strong as the real thing.one more question, are kabuto’s ressurectuions limited by his chakra in anyway?does it take more focus to maintain control of a higher number of subjects?

  130. @holy
    i thought gaara’s sand technique was the result of wind plus earth manipulation, kinda like haku’s ice release except its not a kkg, at least i dont think soo.

    so sorry for the double post…

  131. @ Darks

    “And I meant logically in the context of the manga and what we know about gaara’s abilities lol”

    I know was just pulling your leg 😛

    Reducing Sasori and his hiding spot into dust.

    Yet all Sasori would need to do is transfer his heart to one of his many flying puppets above the tsunami, so his body may be crushed but he won’t die, so in hiding Sasori can continuasly change locations, meaning Gaara would find it hard to pin point his massive attack…

    Blocking the Raikage while impressive doesn’t help the resistance since the attack is done over a larger area A and not a direct piercing attack, B Gaara is using the sand he would make to ball with so he was focusing on complete attack and not self defense, C – Raikage had been battling a long time before that too, Z – If in a battle would u say the Raikage wouldn’t be able to pierce Gaara’s sand?. @ Kanton – yes it blocked Emo Flames but in the end the flames just burn what ever the user sees, so all it did was obstruct sasuke’s vision and then the sand was burned. So not really a block. more an obstruction of view… (which is emo eyes weakness 😛 )

    Not a few puppets many puppets, and the hard sand he would use to take “out” these puppets would in the end weaken his ball, which would mean opening for one of the hundred puppets, he would have to either move from defense to attack, so if he does Sasori has the numbers to attack Gaara or at least scratch him…

  132. So when exactly is 514 coming out?

  133. @ Total – I would guess later today or early tomorrow, but the problem is we rarely know, mangastream usually says so long and counting when close so probably a while still T_T

  134. It is finally out, WRA!!!!!!!!

    http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/1

    😀

  135. awesome chapter :p
    finally get so madara with both eyes
    just a bit dissapointed about the kabuto thing but kool things might happen with yamoto so that makes up for it ^^

  136. Kabuto the snake captured Yamato…
    O_O I don’t even want to think about what he’s going to do to him. He’s worse than pedo Orochimaru… X_X

    Deidara was saved by plot no jutsu… He was about to get pwned by the Tsuchikage. 😀

    By the way, why is Kurotsuchi using Magma Release, just like the Mizukage? Maybe the Tsuchikage’s son went on a mission to the Mist Village and… XD

    Anyway, the chapter was great. The pace is extremely fast, though!
    I hope Naruto won’t end soon… 😦

  137. Man, this is definitely heating up. I wonder how much more powerful than Nagato Madara will be. He’s got knowledge on pretty much everything there is in the naruverse and apparently both types (“paths” if you will) of chakra, yin & yang, in his body and/or eyes to an unfair level, most likely.
    For a long time I was kinda bummed that madara took orochimaru’s place as arch douchebag enemy but the dude’s earned his stripes by now.
    Also interesting is how kabuto referred his chances against naruto and bee as impossible. Makes me think he won’t be playing as much of a battle role, even with all his new toys. More like a “snake in the grass” plotter bitch. Sorry…couldn’t help the pun.

  138. @Dragon – It makes sense that Kurotsuchi has magma/lava release. Roshi, the 4-tails jinchuuriki, also could use magma/lava release and he was from the Hidden Stone. Also, magma/lava release is a combination of fire and earth, so it makes more sense for the kekkai genkai to have originated in the Hidden Stone than the Hidden Mist. In fact, since Mei Terumi can use both Lava Release (fire and earth) and Boil Release (fire and water) it is most likely her father who was a ninja from the Hidden Stone and knocked up a kunoichi from the Hidden Mist.

    Also, the correct name for the fire and earth release should be lava release not magma release. Magma forms deep under the Earth’s surface, while Lava is the extrusive equivalent of magma, i.e., it forms at the Earth’s surface. Since these ninja are forming this molten material at the Earth’s surface and the cooling rates are extremely quick, the release should be titled Lava Release to be geologically accurate.

    @zzattack – although you’re entitled to your opinions on the breakdowns, and are certainly encouraged to share them here on WRA, I feel that I should remind you that these writers are spending a significant amount of their time preparing these breakdowns for us. Although I’m sure they enjoy writing these, it is an additional stress they take on at our behalf. They are providing a fresh perspective on these manga chapters and post them on this blog for all of us to read and enjoy. AND they manage to mix in a little humor in to lighten the mood. As long as they keep spending their time to write these breakdowns for us, I, for one, am not going to tell them how to write them. They may choose to express their ideas however they want, and I will still enjoy the ideas, perspectives, and even silly, light-hearted humor they give to us to comment on.

    As for the inside jokes, it is the same as joining any new group of friends. Of course there are going to be some inside jokes that you don’t get at first. But if you stick around long enough you’ll understand and be part of the inside jokes the same as everyone else 🙂

    To conclude, I guess I just want to take this opportunity to thank all the present and past writers here at WRA for making my manga reading experience so much more special XD

  139. Read the last chapter and it was kinda average. I look at Madara new mask and wonder if the the eyes are going where the tomoe are if the third one will be used? The return of Byakyugan perhaps and Neji devolpment.

    Nah, will never happen Kishi hates the Konoha 11 almost as much he hate Kakashi.

  140. Well, that was rushed. This plot is moving way too fast. The art was…terrible. Is it getting worse or is it just me? Kishi needs to take his time. Just because there’s an impending war doesn’t mean it has to happen right away because as a consequence the events leading up to that war are all rushed and hashed out. I expected a great fight between Deidara and the Tsuchikage but nothing happened there. Yamato was kidnapped and I actually like that guy. Naruto is looking at more armadillo penises. -_- That was the whole chapter.

    Oh, and Kishi is making all these secondary characters fight we hardly know but what about all the secondary characters he left behind in Konoha? When’s the last time we’ve seen Rock Lee fight!? Oh, but we can see Aoba and the Tsuchikage’s granddaughter fight. Characters we’ll probably never see again after this war.

    I hope this break means Kishi is ready to deliver a great chapter with some thought to it in 2 weeks.

  141. Hey everybody! 🙂

    Pickles, your breakdown is awesomeness incarnate!

    In terms of the Gaara vs. Sasori fight, Gaara can take the floor from underneath sasori while floating on his sand. If Sasori transfers his container to one of his many flying creations, it wont matter cause his main gear just got swallowed up in the ground, so now what?! Gaara has a real advantage! Everything else, they are more or less equal. btw how do you scratch gaara?

    I think Kabutamaru is really using Yamato for reasons he’s not saying, anybody else feel that way?

    @super: If you want to see Lee fight, you can watch him now in the closing credits on Shippuuden!

  142. @ visionary –
    “Gaara can take the floor from underneath sasori while floating on his sand.”

    So Gaara can in your opinion beat everyone that can’t fly? Cause he could then do the same to the Raikage, Naruto etc?? If Gaara cannot find the location of Sasori “who could fight over a long distance” and remain hidden, as I have specified, Gaara doesn’t have unlimited chakra to just attack, attack, attack, and it has been noted his ordinary sand is not as potent as the sand kept on his back… Plus he can use the big Tsunami thing but not a lot, (if even more then once) depending on location he would also have to first grind the earth to create sand… “While he can control any dry sand, ordinary sand requires more chakra to manipulate, tiring him at a rapid rate. ”

    How can Sasori Scratch Gaara?

    Cause Gaara’s never been scratched?? Sasuke, Lee, Naruto, “all in the Chunin arc” (okay gaara was a kid but so was Sasuke, Lee and Naruto) The Third Kazekage has the most powerful attack and jutsu in the Sand Village, rated above the Sand of the Shikaku by Chiyo, Sasori was able to defeat him “although it was tricky” he was able to defeat him and make him a puppet..

    Lets look at location, if Gaara battles in Suna, Sasori can litrally create an army of puppets to attack the people, Gaara would need to focus his sand better and not be able to use desert funeral while in the city, while sasori can remain hidden in the city quite easily, while Gaara is preoccupied with protecting his people his own defense will be less and also he would loose a lot of Chakra. They battle on a normal fighting ground, with earth, gaara can create more sand but at the sacrifice of some of his own, which would mean he wouldn’t have ultimate defense and leave openings for one of Sasori’s hundred puppets to use and if they attack gaara at once he will be unable to defend every angle properly…

    @ Super – lol depends what u prefer, have the plot move forward fast or have no plot, no development and a super butterfly chase teenagers around an empty town…. <_<

    I think Kishi wants to hit the war and is accelerating it cause he wants to bring Sasuke back, <_< he suffers from Sasuke withdrawl symptoms…

    @ lostpride – Yeah but I think what Kishi doing is showing the strength of each village, we know in a war that the Leaf have strong "semi" developed ninja and ino so he is now showing what the other villages offer,we know the sand – Wind users and puppet masters, Mist – The Swordsman, Water users, can use Boil and Lava release, Cloud – Lightning, Strong Taijutsu and Swordsman, Stone was the most under developed nation so we are now seeing what they have, which seems pretty badass although the old man gonna die soon, he is pretty strong… So although I wanna see Konoha 11 fight, I think Kishi wants us to see the bigger picture of the strength of all the nations

  143. Maybe I am being dumb but when the hell did this happen

    http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Puppet_Water_Release:_Mystic_Rain_Dance_Technique

  144. @ Chapter

    – Wow the Stone Kage is strong but how the hell does Dust form like that? What elements are Dust…. This is gonna be Metal Gear Solid Soon, Dust Snake, Solid Snake, Liquid Snake bla blah also Deidara was a pupil of the Kage, wonder if clay is another Kekki Genkai of the Stone Village
    – Naruto’s an idiot, or that is a shadow clone and the real naruto snuck away will bee who seems to be missing <_< and no one notices… Thats probably why there is an armidilo penis its to distract everyone.
    – I am so glad Kishi stopped giving everyone Dojutsu, but now it seems everyone has a elemental mix… also I think Magma must of been a mis print there was no fire or burning element in it, it was more like a water and rock or something… and can two elements be mixed in different ways to create different elements??
    – AOBA?? Who the F is he and why does Kabuto say. "you have fallen furthers then I have???" Could there be sub plot no jutsu??
    – couldn't yammato create wood to get out of Kabuto's mouth, like a steak out of no where, I have an odd feeling that Yammato let himself be caught and has given Naruto a way to track him with that seed things
    – Madara has Naguto's Rinnegan which was his before anyways.

    Weeks break but least Bleach might be back

  145. EXPLODING CLAY = FIRE WATER EARTH? D:

  146. http://spaceninja309.deviantart.com/art/Our-hero-183428268?q=boost%3Apopular+max_age%3A24h+naruto&qo=153

    http://ihatemuffins.deviantart.com/art/oh-come-on-183456292?q=boost%3Apopular+max_age%3A24h+naruto&qo=224

  147. @pein yesterday

  148. @holydemonandy,
    Exploding clay is earth so that Kishi could save his favourite Sasuke for dying at the atomic level.

    @ super,
    we got to see konoha 11 fight, they are called filler but they really don’t mean anything to anyone. I had not seen a filler that I like so it almost stopped me from watching the anime completely.

    Well the konoha nin fall from grace is still isn’t as bad as team Hebi. They didn’t show if they are dead or alive mid fight. Juugo ended up a messed up version of Zaku. His Character I believe was built up worse than Sakura for a mass killer.

    @ pein0avenue
    I don’t mind it so much developing other nations but the pace that the manga is progressing it seem the last time they will have epic battles would be pre-timeskip. Anyway we have a Ninja war about to go down so chance are almost everyone is going to get some action.

    I thought Kabuto was going to look like some deadly scorpion on two legs. When Kabbuto reappeared and start feeding on nins I had the feeling he would fight like frieza with jutsu. Oh well this was kinda lame.

  149. “I thought Kabuto was going to look like some deadly scorpion on two legs. When Kabbuto reappeared and start feeding on nins I had the feeling he would fight like frieza with jutsu. Oh well this was kinda lame.”

    Just because they’re villains doesn’t mean they have to be all powerful you know. And thanks for the info earlier.

    It’s a tad unfair if it ends up that only the main protagonist or his son are the only ones who can really defeat someone, because then it just becomes tactic-less.

  150. yea last thing we need is another nleach fiasco

  151. @holydemonandy,
    I agree villains don’t always have to be overwelming. It is not so much Kabuto ability because we didn’t see him do anything yet it was his general appearance and style. Well I’ve only since it when Sasuke fought Orochimaru and a little bit now but so you never no, but so far not blown away. I didn’t really like the Orochimaru ritual snake transformation when I saw it then either. I hoped he’d stay in his regular form like Orochimaru did before he tried to steal Sasuke body. I assumed (wrongly) that Kabuto would alter his body to take over Sasuke later for some reason even though he is some mad professor.

    I wonder why Kabuto didn’t take more dead Akatsuki? he said he was going after Bee and Naruto. He must of known that they would prepare renforcements for an attack after their location found out. Itachi would of been enough to handle most of them on his own. I wonder if Itachi’s eyeballs would fallout after spaming MS techs or something. There gotta be some drawback otherwise he is gonna be way to powerful.

  152. Bleach lol, I don’t see Kishi telling off fans just yet.

  153. i was thinking…edotensei brings the dead back to life by putting that person’s soul into the body right? this means that nagato won’t have the rinnegan since the rinnegan isn’t a part of him…the rinnegan isn’t part of his true essence, it was implanted after.

    what do you guys think?

  154. @ pein i said the same thing to my girlfriend while reading that very page lol

  155. Look at the panel where Kabuto is running from Deidara’s direction, and look at the air swoop line Deidara made in the air with his bird … does that look like anything to you guys ?

    http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/1

  156. too much fan disservice and brain bleaching moments where are the BOOBS I know *reads Fairy Tail and drools* FANSERVICE!!

  157. @Trek and all in the “WTF happened with Yamato” camp: I was seriously bummed. Like Trek, I like that guy; one of my favorites, in fact. There is NO way this guy goes bye bye. None. I can see him doing some kind of wood clone thing that has totally fooled his comrades – meaning the wood clone is what is before Madara. Besides, what would Madara want with the guy other than information? He’s already got the original wood user, Shodai Hokage. You see Madara’s reaction to the “new addition.”

    http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/40727763/18

    Aoba – that guy needs to be bitch-slapped into next week! Gahhhhh, I was so mad when he called Naruto “stupid.” Then, he has to act all tough in front of an obviously morphed Kabuto creating the disaster that got Yamato into the “unknown” column in the first place. IMO, what a prick!

    Then, the penis count. OMG, could anything else be so lame about this chapter? Who gives a damn about penises (unless Kishi is suffering from a serious case of “penis envy”)? Then come the earthquakes. Sheesh! Boy there was sure some backpedaling on that from those Jonin! Would someone please tell Naruto WTH is going on? Yeah, he’s impulsive but then, what about the power he has inside of him. Didn’t his parents want him to actually USE that power?

    Tschusikage and Deidara – the resurrection of a dead character is old to me. Who is next? Kakuzu? *sarcasm intended*

    I think it is so obvious that Kabuto plans a double-cross on Madara. If we think about it, HE’S the one who wanted Yamato for his wood element, not Madara. Then, there’s the Kyuubi’s power of Naruto. And, of course, his extremely keen interest in a recovering Sasuke. Add the three together and you have a serious “checkmate” against Madara, which is what Orochimaru wanted all along. Personally, Kabuto is absolutely nuts.

    Ok, now that I’ve ranted, I feel much better now. 😀

  158. @nagashikage – Omg. Even clouds have penises.

  159. @nagashikage: haha i didnt notice it until pein0avenue posted a deviantArt link to a pic on it lol : http://ihatemuffins.deviantart.com/art/oh-come-on-183456292?q=boost%3Apopular+max_age%3A24h+naruto&qo=224 haha 😀

    I honestly don’t know what’s kishi’s unhealthy obsession with penises these days. Is it some kind of bad joke? When i saw the armadillo’s penis again in this chapter i just thought “ewww…” lol I hope there’s no more in the next chappie.

    I was a bit disappointed on how kabuto looked without his cloak…but at least we know why there is a snake continuously peaking out of the back of his cloak. Oh and the fight between tsuchikage and deidara wasn’t even a fight at all <_< But deidara's reaction at the end was funny though ;P

    Oh and yamato is definitely planning something!He is one of my favorite characters and just can't go down so easily. Why didn't kabuto have a desire to experiment on sakura instead lol j/k j/k 😀

  160. Bubble: It kinda tingles

    Caption: and thats not character development that tingling 😛

  161. ALRIGHT. This chapter was a mixed feeling of satisfaction and disappointment- at the end of the day i wasn’t really sure what i should have felt. I like where the story is going: kabuto capturing yamato, madara implanting the rinnegan, the tsuchikage soiling his hands a little. Apart from that, there was nothing decisive in this chapter, and it appeared to me kishi has a lot on his mind and could be out of clues on whether to quickly introduce the battle or stretch the story sequentially till then. Perhaps that explains why the week long pause. I reckon i’m just gonna have to look forward to one month….oops pardon me, 2 weeks from now(i’ve become so entrenched in one piece).

  162. @pein0avenue: First of all I’m sorry for taking too long for responding back. I really love these blogs! In response to what you were saying, I did say that they are very similar in attack power. What I meant was that they can both send a lot of attack power at you. I do not recall that in these debates a character had to protect a whole village… >_> All they are doing is attacking AT each other. I go by what moves they use in the manga and anime. From what I have seen, they like to use sand balls and needles at first, (light and easy). Then sand coffin and puppets with blades. Sasori will use some kind of puppets with blades, but Gaara also has the advantage of being able to attack not only the puppet but also the caster! How is Sasori going to be able to concentrate on controlling the puppets while he is being attacked? When you have two mid range fighters, you got to have an ace up your sleeve and Sasori just doesn’t have it. As a matter of fact, I’m sure he’s one of Akatsuki’s weakest three. I think a more challenging debate would have been about Gaara vs. Shino! =D My vote is for Shino!

  163. meh kabuto uses hax

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